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Requested moves is a process for requesting the retitling (moving) of an article, template, or project page on Wikiafripedia. (For retitling files, categories and other items, see When not to use this page.) Please read the article titling policy and the guideline regarding primary topics before moving a page or requesting a page move.

Any autoconfirmed user can use the Move function to perform most moves (see Help:How to move a page). If you have no reason to expect a dispute concerning a move, be bold and move the page. However, it may not always be possible or desirable to do this:

  • Technical reasons may prevent a move: a page may already exist at the target title and require deletion, or the page may be protected from moves. See: § Requesting technical moves.
  • Requests to revert recent, undiscussed, controversial moves may be made at WAP:RM/TR. If the new name has not become the stable title, the undiscussed move will be reverted. If the new name has become the stable title, a requested move will be needed to determine the article's proper location.
  • A title may be disputed, and discussion may be necessary to reach consensus: see § Requesting controversial and potentially controversial moves. The requested moves process is not mandatory, and sometimes an informal discussion at the article's talk page can help reach consensus.
  • Unregistered users and new (not yet autoconfirmed) users are unable to move pages.

Requests are generally processed after seven days. If consensus is reached at or after this time, a reviewer will enact the request. If not, the request may be re-listed to allow more time for consensus to develop, or the discussion closed as "no consensus". See Wikiafripedia:Requested moves/Closing instructions for more details on the process.

Wikiafripedia:Move review can be used to contest the outcome of a move request as long as all steps are followed. If a discussion on the closer's talk page does not resolve an issue, then a move review will evaluate the close of the move discussion to determine whether or not the contested close was reasonable and consistent with the spirit and intent of common practice, policies, and guidelines.

When not to use this page[edit source | edit]

Separate processes exist for moving certain types of pages, and for changes other than page moves:

Undiscussed moves[edit source | edit]

Autoconfirmed editors may move a page without discussion if all of the following apply:

  • No article exists at the new target title;
  • There has been no discussion (especially no recent discussion) about the title of the page that expressed any objection to a new title; and
  • It seems unlikely that anyone would reasonably disagree with the move.

If you disagree with such a move, and the new title has not been in place for a long time, you may revert the move. If you cannot revert the move for technical reasons, then you may request a technical move.

Move wars are disruptive, so if you make a bold move and it is reverted, do not make the move again. Instead, follow the procedures laid out in § Requesting controversial and potentially controversial moves.

Requesting technical moves[edit source | edit]

If you are unable to complete a technical move, request it below. If this is your first article and you want your draft article published, please submit it for review at Articles for creation, by adding the code {{subst:submit}} to the top of the draft or user sandbox page instead of listing it here.

  • To list a technical request: edit the Uncontroversial technical requests subsection and insert the following code filling in pages and reason:
    {{subst:RMassist| current page title | new page title |reason = reason for move}}
    This will automatically insert a bullet and include your signature. Please do not edit the article's talk page.
  • If you object to a proposal listed in the uncontroversial technical requests section, please move the request to the Contested technical requests section, append a note on the request elaborating on why, and sign with ~~~~.
  • If your technical request is contested, or if a contested request is left untouched without reply, create a requested move on the article talk and remove the request from the section here. The fastest and easiest way is to click the "discuss" button at the request, save the talk page, and remove the entry on this page.

Technical requests[edit source | edit]

Uncontroversial technical requests[edit source | edit]

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Contested technical requests[edit source | edit]

That RM and non-admin close looks a little insufficient. In ictu oculi (talk) 11:38, 11 October 2019 (UTC)
The article was moved without discussion by a now-blocked user. As the move has been contested we should restore the previous title. PC78 (talk) 12:54, 11 October 2019 (UTC)
@Caorongjin: The term is also widely used in the US as well, and it's not clear that UK conservative evangelicalism is enough of a primary topic to get such a generic title. --Ahecht (TALK
) 14:26, 10 October 2019 (UTC)
@Ahecht: That may be right to a certain extent, but it still doesn't explain why conservative evangelical redirects to evangelicalism or why there isn't a US article. --Caorongjin (talk) 21:39, 10 October 2019 (UTC)
  • The Jackson 5 is invalid. Must create The Jackson 5 before requesting that it be moved to The Jacksons.– It should be The Jacksons because that's what they're known now. Last time they were known as The Jackson 5 was in 1976 before Jermaine left the group. They also do concerts and tour now as The Jacksons. The last studio album they released was under "The Jacksons" name aka 2300 Jackson Street. TrackerMercurial136 (talk) 17:20, 10 October 2019 (UTC)
This is probably at least worth discussing - the band was famous / notable as The Jackson 5, and later reunion tours as The Jacksons were mostly a footnote and performing existing music, rather than being a living band making new music. SnowFire (talk) 19:36, 10 October 2019 (UTC)
There was a no concensus RM on this 12 years ago. PC78 (talk) 12:55, 11 October 2019 (UTC)
@CBrigden: According to the company's website they now do business as "WSP Opus", not just "WSP". Why not that title? Huon (talk) 21:37, 10 October 2019 (UTC)

Requests to revert undiscussed moves[edit source | edit]

Requesting controversial and potentially controversial moves[edit source | edit]

The discussion process is used for potentially controversial moves. The move is potentially controversial if any one of the following applies:

  • there is an existing article at the target title (not just a redirect with no other page history);
  • there has been any past debate about the best title for the page;
  • someone could reasonably disagree with the move.

Use this process if there is any reason to believe a move would be contested. In particular, use this process before moving any existing page with incoming links to create a disambiguation page at that title. For technical move requests (e.g. spelling and capitalization fixes), see Requesting technical moves.

Do not put more than one open move request on the same talk page, because this is not supported by the bot that handles updates to this page. Multiple closed move requests may be on the same page, but each should have a unique section heading.

Requesting a single page move[edit source | edit]

To request a single page move, edit at the bottom of the talk page of the article you want moved, without adding a new header, inserting this code:

{{subst:requested move|NewName|reason=Place here your rationale for the proposed page name change, ideally referring to applicable naming convention policies and guidelines, and providing evidence in support where appropriate. If your reasoning includes search engine results, please prioritize searches limited to reliable sources (e.g. books, news, scholarly papers) over other web results. Do not sign this.}}

Replace NewName with the requested new name of the page (or with a question mark, if you want more than one possible new name to be considered). The template will automatically create the heading "Requested move 25 January 2022" and sign the post for you.

Use the code |talk=yes to add separate locations for survey and discussion.

There is no need to edit the article in question. Once the above code is added to the Talk page, a bot will automatically add the following notification at the top of the article:

Note: Unlike other request processes on Wikiafripedia, such as RfC, nominations need not be neutral. Make your point as best you can; use evidence (such as Ngrams and pageview statistics) and refer to applicable policies and guidelines, especially our article titling policy and the guideline on disambiguation and primary topic.

WikiProjects may subscribe to Article alerts to receive RM notifications, e.g. this page is transcluded to here. RMCD bot notifies many of the other Wikiprojects listed on the talk page of the article to be moved to invite project members to participate in the RM discussion. Requesters should feel free to notify any other Wikiproject or Noticeboard that might be interested in the move request.

Single page move on a different talk page[edit source | edit]

Occasionally, a move request is made for a page that is not the subject page of the talk page on which the request must be made. An example would be to make a request to rename Wikiafripedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/Resources to, say, Wikiafripedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/Reviewing and templates. The talk page of the project page to be moved, Wikiafripedia talk:WikiProject Articles for creation/Resources, redirects to the main subject talk page, Wikiafripedia talk:WikiProject Articles for creation, to centralize discussions, so that is where the requested move should be made using the following code:

{{subst:requested move|reason=(the reason for the page move goes here).|current1=WAP:WikiProject Articles for creation/Resources|new1=WAP:WikiProject Articles for creation/Reviewing and templates}}
and generally:
{{subst:requested move|reason=(the reason for the page move goes here).|current1=(present title of page to be renamed)|new1=(proposed title of page)}}

Note that the |1= unnamed parameter is not used, and that the |current1= and |new1= parameters are used similar to multiple page moves described below.

Requesting multiple page moves[edit source | edit]

A single template may be used to request multiple related moves. On one of the talk pages of the affected articles, create a request and format it as below. A sample request for three page moves is shown here (for two page moves, omit the lines for current3 and new3). For four page moves, add lines for current4 and new4, and so on. There is no technical limit on the number of multiple move requests, but before requesting very large multi-moves, consider whether a naming convention should be changed first. Discuss that change on the talk page for the naming convention, e.g., Wikiafripedia talk:Naming conventions (sportspeople).

To request a multiple page move, edit at the bottom of the talk page of the article you chose for your request, without adding a new header, inserting this code:

{{subst:requested move
| new1 = New title for page 1 with the talk page hosting this discussion
| current2 = Current title of page 2
| new2 = New title for page 2
| current3 = Current title of page 3
| new3 = New title for page 3
| reason = Place here your rationale for the proposed page name change, ideally referring to applicable naming convention policies and guidelines, and providing evidence in support where appropriate. If your reasoning includes search engine results, please prioritize searches limited to reliable sources (e.g. books, news, scholarly papers) over other web results. Do not sign this.}}

For example, to propose moving the articles Wikiafripedia and Wiki, put this template on Talk:Wikiafripedia, and replace current2 with Wiki. The discussion for all affected articles is held on the talk page of the article at page 1 (Talk:Wikiafripedia). Do not sign a request with ~~~~ as the template does this automatically. Do not skip pairs of numbers.

RMCD bot automatically places a notice section on the talk page of the additional pages that are included in your request, advising that the move discussion is in progress, where it is, and that all discussion for all pages included in the request should take place at that one location.

Occasionally the discussions for significant multi-move requests may be hosted on WikiProject talk pages or other pages in Project namespace. For multi-move discussions hosted on a page which is not itself proposed to be moved, specify |current1=Current title of page 1 for the first page to move.

Template usage examples and notes
Talk page tag Text that will be shown (and usage notes)
{{subst:Requested move|new|reason=why}}
links talk edit
Requested move 25 January 2022

Wikiafripedia:Requested movesNew – why Example (talk) 13:45, 25 January 2022 (UTC)

Use when the proposed new title is given.
Do not sign this template—this tag is auto-signed when substituted. Be sure to use the subst:.
This tag should be placed at the beginning of the section containing the relevant discussion.

{{subst:Requested move|?|reason=why}}
Requested move 25 January 2022

Wikiafripedia:Requested moves → ? – why Example (talk) 13:45, 25 January 2022 (UTC)

Use when the proposed new title is not known.
Do not sign this template—this tag is auto-signed when substituted. Be sure to use the subst:.
This tag should be placed at the beginning of the section containing the relevant discussion.

{{subst:Requested move|new|reason=why|talk=yes}}
Requested move 25 January 2022

Wikiafripedia:Requested movesNew – why Example (talk) 13:45, 25 January 2022‎ (UTC)

Feel free to state your position on the renaming proposal by beginning a new line in this subsection with *'''Support''' or *'''Oppose''', then sign your comment with ~~~~. Since polling is not a substitute for discussion, please explain your reasons, taking into account Wikiafripedia's policy on article titles.
Any additional comments:

This template adds subsections for survey and discussion.
Do not sign this template—this tag is auto-signed when substituted. Be sure to use the subst:
Click the "New Section" tab on the talk page and leave the Subject/headline blank, as the template by default automatically creates the heading.

{{subst:Requested move|new1=x|current2=y|new2=z|reason=why}}
Requested move 25 January 2022

– why Example (talk) 13:45, 25 January 2022 (UTC)

Do not sign this template—this tag is auto-signed when substituted.
Be sure to use the subst: and place this tag at the beginning of the section containing the relevant discussion.
Add additional related move requests in pairs (|current3= and |new3=, |current4= and |new4=, etc.).

{{subst:Requested move|new1=?|current2=y|new2=?|reason=why}}
Requested move 25 January 2022

– why Example (talk) 13:45, 25 January 2022 (UTC)

Commenting on a requested move[edit source | edit]

All editors are welcome to contribute to the discussion regarding a requested page move. There are a number of standards that Wikiafripedians should practice in such discussions:

  • When editors recommend a course of action, they write Support or Oppose in bold text, which is done by surrounding the word with three single quotes on each side, e.g. '''Support'''.
  • Comments or recommendations are added on a new bulleted line (that is, starting with *) and signed by adding ~~~~ to the end. Responses to another editor are threaded and indented using multiple bullets.
  • The article itself should be reviewed before any recommendation is made; do not base recommendations solely on the information supplied by other editors. It may also help to look at the article's edit history. However, please read the earlier comments and recommendations, as well as prior move requests. They may contain relevant arguments and useful information.
  • Vested interests in the article should be disclosed per Wikiafripedia:Conflict of interest#How to disclose a COI.

When participating, please consider the following:

  • Editors should make themselves familiar with the article titling policy at Wikiafripedia:Article titles.
  • Other important guidelines that set forth community norms for article titles include Wikiafripedia:Disambiguation, specific naming conventions, and the manual of style.
  • The debate is not a vote; please do not make recommendations that are not sustained by arguments.
  • Explain how the proposed article title meets or contravenes policy and guidelines rather than merely stating that it does so.
  • Nomination already implies that the nominator supports the name change, and nominators should refrain from repeating this recommendation on a separate bulleted line.[lower-alpha 1]
  • Do not make conflicting recommendations. If you change your mind, use strike-through to retract your previous statement by enclosing it between <s> and </s> after the bullets, and de-bold the struck words, as in "• Support Oppose".

Please remember that reasonable editors will sometimes disagree, but that arguments based in policy, guidelines, and evidence have more weight than unsupported statements. When an editor offers an argument that does not explain how the move request is consistent with policies and guidelines, a reminder to engage in constructive, on-topic discussion may be useful. On the other hand, a pattern of responding to requests with groundless opinion, proof by assertion, and ignoring content guidelines may become disruptive. If a pattern of disruptive behavior persists after efforts are made to correct the situation through dialogue, please consider using a dispute resolution process.

Closing a requested move[edit source | edit]

Any uninvolved editor in good standing may close a move request. Please read the closing instructions for information on how to close a move request. The Simple guide to closing RM discussions details how to actually close a requested move discussion.

Relisting a requested move[edit source | edit]

Relisting a discussion moves the request out of the backlog up to the current day in order to encourage further input. The decision to relist a discussion is best left to uninvolved experienced editors upon considering, but declining, to close the discussion. In general, discussions should not be relisted more than once before properly closing.[lower-alpha 2] Users relisting a debate which has already been relisted, or relisting a debate with a substantial discussion, should write a short explanation on why they did not consider the debate sufficient to close. While there is no consensus forbidding participation in a requested move discussion after relisting it, many editors consider it an inadvisable form of supervote. If you want to relist a discussion and then participate in it, be prepared to explain why you think it was appropriate.

Relisting can be done using {{subst:relisting}}, which also signs it automatically, and is placed at the very end of the initial request (after their signature, and subsequent re-listers signatures). When a discussion has been relisted a bot partially underlines the "Discuss" link in the lists of debates: (Discuss).

When a relisted discussion reaches a resolution, it may be closed at any time according to the closing instructions; there is no required length of time to wait before closing a relisted discussion.

If discussion has become stale, or it seems that discussion would benefit from more input of editors versed in the subject area, consider more widely publicizing the discussion, such as by notifying WikiProjects of the discussion using the template {{RM notification}} or {{Mdn}}. Banners placed at the top of the talk page hosting the move request can often be used to identify WikiProjects suitable for notification.

Notes[edit source | edit]

  1. A nominator making a procedural nomination with which they may not agree is free to add a bulleted line explaining their actual position. Additional detail, such as sources, may also be provided in an additional bullet point if its inclusion in the nomination statement would make the statement unwieldy. Please remember that the entire nomination statement is transcluded into the list on this page.
  2. Despite this, discussions are occasionally relisted more than once.

Current discussions[edit source | edit]

This section lists all requests filed or identified as potentially controversial which are currently under discussion.

This list is also available in a page-link-first format and in table format. 45 discussions have been relisted, indicated by (Discuss)

October 11, 2019[edit source | edit]

  • (Discuss)Jimmy PattisonJim Pattison – This page was moved in 2006 in a cut-and-paste move to Jim Pattison, which broke the Talk page and edit summaries. Have notified User:Bradv. I personally think this disambiguation page was useful, there seems to be a lack of clarity in what is WAP:Primary--a deceased American baseball player or a living Canadian businessman? Thought I'd propose a legitimate page move request to establish consensus. --Doug Mehus (talk) 15:23, 11 October 2019 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Austin MatelsonLuchasaurus – Right now, Matelson is not his common name. He has several ringnames, but I think, after the AEW events and Dynamite, he is best known as Luchasaurus. --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 14:52, 11 October 2019 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Ed FarhatThe Original Sheik – I made a discussion 6 years ago (I didn't remember), but just 2 people appeared. Again, it's his ringname and his common name. After The Iron Sheik, I think he is best known as The Original Sheik (better than The Sheik). --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 14:51, 11 October 2019 (UTC)

October 10, 2019[edit source | edit]

  • (Discuss)Plasma globePlasma ball – Ball has about 887,000 Google results compared with only 197,000 for the current title. Plasma lamp only gets 162,000 results but is used in the article's 1st ref but note that Plasma lamp is a separate article which appears to be broader anyway. "Plasma ball" is used in both of the last refs and the others either don't use the terms at all or can't be accessed, Encyclopædia Britannica doesn't have an article on this topic so there's no guidance there. Crouch, Swale (talk) 20:59, 10 October 2019 (UTC)
  1. REDIRECT Template:Template link

and {{Niccolò Machiavelli}}, with essentially the same content. I chose to keep this one since it was created a few months earlier (July 2009 vs November 2009), although the other one had the better title. Ffranc (talk) 13:55, 10 October 2019 (UTC)

  • (Discuss)Fernandinho (footballer)Fernandinho – The footballer born in May 1984 is arguably the most famous person named Fernandinho and surprisingly not disambiguated by his birth year and/or month unlike every other entry in Fernandinho (disambiguation), plus “Fernandinho” redirects to the current Man City player. “Fernandinho (footballer)” could also refer to anyone in that disambiguation page. KingSkyLord (talk | contribs) 12:46, 25 September 2019 (UTC) --Relisting. IffyChat -- 12:59, 10 October 2019 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Norrie May-Welby → ? – It's fairly easily established that this person is simply named Norrie, and does not have a surname any longer. However, Norrie is already a dab page so we can't move it there, and nothing really springs to mind as an alternative so we should probably discuss what it should be titled. Beeblebrox (talk) 18:23, 25 September 2019 (UTC) --Relisting. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 11:34, 10 October 2019 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Dvorak Simplified Keyboard → ? – Per previous discussion, this article would be moved to "Dvorak keyboard" or "Dvorak layout" instead of "Dvorak (keyboard layout)". According to Akeosnhaoe (talk · contribs), "The search for "dvorak keyboard layout" outnumbers "dvorak simplified keyboard" 300,000 to 100,000." So, here are the options: * Option A: Move to "Dvorak keyboard layout" * Option B: Move to "Dvorak (keyboard layout)" * Option C: Move to "Dvorak keyboard" * Option D: Move to "Dvorak layout" * Option E: Do not move For additional comments, use Comment. --Soumyabrata (talksubpages) 11:41, 26 September 2019 (UTC) --Relisting. bd2412 T 01:39, 10 October 2019 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Evangelical Reformed Church of the canton of ZürichEvangelical Reformed Church of the Canton of Zürich – 'Canton' should be capitalised as a proper noun as it represents a geographical locale. A user has recently moved this article to a new title changing 'Canton' to 'canton' (along with the same phrase within the article). However, as a geographical location, 'Canton' in the context of 'Canton of Zürich' is a proper noun and should be capitalised. The Wikiafripedia manual of style unambiguously supports this capitalisation MOS:GEOUNITS. Although I can change the article text back, I am prevented from altering the title. (talk) 12:25, 24 September 2019 (UTC) --Relisting. bd2412 T 01:37, 10 October 2019 (UTC)

October 9, 2019[edit source | edit]

  • (Discuss)Utada HikaruHikaru Utada – Her english name have to be "Hikaru Utada" as well as other japanese english names, like "Shinzo Abe," "Seiji Ozawa," "Takeshi Kaneshiro," "Kohei Uchida," "Ayumu Hirano," "Shizuka Arakawa," "Satomi Ishihara, "Yoko Ono." Moreover, up to now, her official website in english language has been calling her "Hikaru Utada." See Hikaru Utada Official Website NEWS and Her japanese name is "宇多田ヒカル," therefore, "Utada Hikaru" is just her japanese name's romanization. This means that "Utada Hikaru" cannot be her english name, even if some people have mistaken so. And then, I cannot help but think that nobody can discuss this critical mistake constructively, because this rule about japanese people's english name is already traditional rule and self-evident truth. Nobody, except nuts, can insist "Utada" is her first name. Nobody, except nuts, can insist her first name "Hikaru" should be placed at the position of english last name "Utada," ignoring english name's traditional rule and her will. Beaver4100 (talk) 22:30, 9 October 2019 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)OthelloOthello (play) – To most people today, the primary meaning of Othello is the game whose article is at Reversi, but which has been known as Othello since 1971. I find it difficult to believe that despite having been nearly half a century since Othello became the game's common name, Wikiafripedia's article for the game is at Reversi, which is simply what the game was traditionally called. Georgia guy (talk) 19:59, 9 October 2019 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Storm Area 51, They Can't Stop All of UsStorm Area 51 – The shorter title is widely more used. It googles 4 times as many as the full title and it is used as the universal name in the internet meme community (such as the KYM entry hardly even mentioning the full title). Although the original event had the description as well, WAP:COMMONNAME clearly points to omit it. The full event name should still be the boldface title term in the article body, but a reader would expect to find this article with the event's shortened, commonly used, name. Gaioa (T C L) 18:58, 9 October 2019 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)BlackBerryBlackBerry Smartphones – We are hoping to change the title of the BlackBerry page to BlackBerry Smartphones. We also want to change the title of BlackBerry Limited page to BlackBerry. The goal is to help the world understand that BlackBerry is the name of a company, not just the name of legacy smartphone product.. Kbryson-blackberry (talk) 17:22, 9 October 2019 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Portal:ContentsWikiafripedia:Contents – By Portal:Contents read the portal, its subpages and Portal:Featured content. In fact Portal:Contents has never been considered a portal. Ignored by the policy related to portals (WAP:PORTAL, WAP:POG, WAP:P/I and WAP:WAPPORT) and having a totally different layout. Portal:Contents was not initially created as a portal but moved to the portal space [3], I did not find discussions that endorsed this movement. The discussion raised is not the simple move, but whether Portal:Contents will be worked as a portal (linked in articles, treated by WAP: PORTAL and the possibility of creating similar new portals).

    Previous discussions *Wikiafripedia:Miscellany for deletion/Redundant Portal:Contents subpages *Wikiafripedia talk:WikiProject Portals/Archive 13#Redundancy between Portal:Contents subpages and portals Guilherme Burn (talk) 17:11, 9 October 2019 (UTC)

    • (Discuss)Predator (fictional species)Predator (creature in Predator franchise) – The current article name "Predator (fictional species)" is too vague and could refer to any fictional species that is predatory or known as "predator". Instead, the name should reflect the "Alien (creature in Alien franchise)" article name which is more clear and appropriate as both Alien and Predator have names that are already too generic and adding either "(alien)" or "(fictional species)" doesn't solve the problem, and one article having a clear name whereas the other has a vague name is simply inconsistent and nonsensical. TurokSwe (talk) 15:45, 9 October 2019 (UTC)
    • (Discuss)FrithuswithFrideswide – Per the discussion above, this person's name most commonly appears in modern English as 'Frideswide' and hence [WAP:COMMONNAME] would appear to recommend this as the article's main name. The only question is over historicity: 'Frideswide' is derived from the Latinization of her name, 'Frideswida', and the Old English form was 'Frithuswith' – this article follows the Oxford Dictionary of National Biography in using this as the headword. I am happy with either approach, but it ought to be discussed. AndrewNJ (talk) 10:43, 9 October 2019 (UTC)
    • (Discuss)Amok (dish)Homok – Per the above sections, there seems to be consensus that the article title should follow the Thai name. It's not clear which spelling variant (Homok, Ho mok or Hor mok) is to be preferred. Paul_012 (talk) 08:27, 9 October 2019 (UTC)
    • (Discuss)Burmese–Siamese War (1568–70)Burmese–Siamese War (1568–1569) – There are two reasons for the move. Firstly, I'm starting discussion on behalf of VFF0347, whose edit I have reverted because the punctuation was incorrect (should be a dash, not a hyphen). His reason for changing the year was, "The date range was wrong. I made the correction in the article - See the history. So it was necessary to rename the article." Secondly, WAP:DATERANGE was changed a few years back to prefer four-digit years in titles; the article title needs updating. Pinging User:Catlemur, who contributed to the original article and made the original change from 1569 to 1570 in 2015. Paul_012 (talk) 08:19, 9 October 2019 (UTC)

    October 8, 2019[edit source | edit]

    • (Discuss)Fan TatPhạm DậtLâm Ấp rulers used neither Chinese nor Vietnamese, but Lâm Ấp was located in central-southern Vietnam. It was Indianized while northern Vietnam was ruled by China. Even though surviving sources are in Chinese, northern Vietnamese pronunciations of these Chinese characters are probably closer to reality. In addition, Lâm Ấp is part of Vietnam's history, not China's. (talk) 03:22, 18 September 2019 (UTC) --Relisting.  — Amakuru (talk) 13:43, 26 September 2019 (UTC)--Relisting. SITH (talk) 21:28, 8 October 2019 (UTC)
    • (Discuss)Let Veneto DecideIl Veneto Decida – Leaving aside the very dubious encyclopedicity of the page, the current title is an invention of the user that created the page, ie an original research. "Il Veneto Decida" cannot be directly translated into English unless it is included in a broader sentence, so the creator of the page invented a translation ("Let Veneto Decide" means "Lascia decidere il Veneto" or "Lascia che il Veneto decida"). When it is not possible to translate a name and there are no sources on an English translation, the original name should be used. Scia Della Cometa (talk) 19:46, 8 October 2019 (UTC)
    • (Discuss)Vṛścik‌‌‌aVrishchika – The transliteration into international English is not correct. In English language there are no diacritics. Also the title Vṛścik‌‌‌a is highly confusing for English language users, as it skips vowels and c is used instead of ch. Crashed greek (talk) 05:02, 30 September 2019 (UTC) --Relisting. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 08:30, 8 October 2019 (UTC)

    October 7, 2019[edit source | edit]

    • (Discuss)Template:PATH line mapTemplate:H&M Railroad – This template contains stations that did not exist by the time PATH was inaugurated as a service. I propose this template be moved to H&M Railroad and a new template be created which shows only present and former PATH stations. WMSR (talk) 18:03, 7 October 2019 (UTC)
    • (Discuss)2019 FIA WEC 4 Hours of Silverstone2019 4 Hours of Silverstone – This is clearly the WAP:PRIMARYTOPIC as the other 4 Hours of Silverstone is from the regional version of the World Endurance Championship (which this race is part of). Add on to that the article on the other 4 Hours of Silverstone doesn't even exist yet there is no reason why we should include the disambiguater of FIA WEC. As for the page that is currently at 2019 4 Hours of Silverstone, this is a disambiguation, that can reasonable be deleted with a hat note pointing towards the other race listed there being hat noted on top of this article should a consensus be reached here for the move but I should list it here for completeness.
      SSSB (talk) 17:21, 7 October 2019 (UTC)
    • (Discuss)Kacey ClarkeKacey Barnfield – As per credits (via IMDb), subject has been overwhelmingly credited (it looks like at least 80% of the time) as "Kacey Barnfield" rather than as "Kacey Clarke". Even her 2018–2019 roles look to be primarily credited as "Kacey Barnfield". Thus, as per WAP:COMMONNAME, this article should be moved back to Kacey Barnfield (where it was, until it was moved in August 2016). --IJBall (contribstalk) 20:46, 28 September 2019 (UTC) --Relisting. SITH (talk) 14:25, 7 October 2019 (UTC)
    • (Discuss)Indianapolis Museum of ArtNewfields – Newfields is the name used for the website, the large sign at the intersection of N. Michigan Road and W. 38th Street, and is how the specific place is referred to as in recent articles Also, looking at their tax returns we can see that "Indianapolis Museum of Art" is still the legal name of the company, and they are d/b/a Newfields. This indicates this is a WAP:NAMECHANGES, not just a new name for the entire complex. The organization has changed its name, even if the IMA is still the name for the museum proper. Cerebral726 (talk) 14:16, 7 October 2019 (UTC)
    • (Discuss)Southern Party (Chile)Party of the South (Chile) – The most correct translation of "Partido del Sur" is "Party of the South". Neither "Southern Party" nor "Party of the South" seem to be mentioned in the sources, but the last one is certainly the correct literal translation of the original name, while "Southern Party" seems rather an original research. Scia Della Cometa (talk) 12:25, 7 October 2019 (UTC)
    • (Discuss)2019 Prince Edward station attack → ? – The current title , 2019 Prince Edward station attack is violating WAP:NPOV. May be "31 August incident" is more NPOV but it seem a direct transliteration from Chinese, thus i doubt it is the common name in English. The context of the incident, is, there are civil conflict between black shirt protesters and armed (with axe) "anti-protesters" which "anti-protesters" use axe to attack and protester gave return blow. And then police arrived and accused by media that, they indiscriminate attack the citizen in the wrong train carriage as part of their arrest (thus WAP:BLPCRIME applies, it should use "suspect", "accused " wording instead of firm wording), plus accusation of killing citizen in the process. The only more widely accepted fact would be those injured were sent to hospital a few hours after the incident. Thus, "attack" wording is not appropriate, "terrorist attack" even more not appropriate, but i am not sure what they are using in English media to describe the event. Matthew hk (talk) 12:24, 7 October 2019 (UTC)

    October 6, 2019[edit source | edit]

    • (Discuss)St. Mary's Hospital and Medical CenterSt. Vincent Evansville – Name of hospital now known as St. Vincent Evansville[1]. The page currently has the new title and discusses the name change with appropriate references, but the page has not been moved to the new title. Instead, apparently a redirect page with the new title was created and redirects to this one, but has too much history for a simple move over a redirect. Mdewman6 (talk) 19:11, 6 October 2019 (UTC)
    • (Discuss)Woman suffrage parade of 1913Women's Suffrage Procession of 1913 (Washington D.C.)? – Discussions on the talk page regarding the correct name for this article appear not to have been resolved. They have revolved around whether the title should be fully capitalized, or changed to Woman Suffrage Procession or something similar, or left as it is. Additionally (and not discussed in the talk page), there was a little-remembered suffragette march that occurred that year in the UK, and which culminated in a rally of 50,000 people in Hyde Park, London (see information about the British march here), so the Washington parade may need to be renamed to reflect this. Amitchell125 16:03, 6 October 2019 (UTC)
    • (Discuss)Motion Picture Association of AmericaMotion Picture Association – The Motion Picture Association of America is now known as the Motion Picture Association. Here are some sources for this[2] [3][4] The request also included a move for the MPA page to MPAA, to maintain the redirect to this page with its new name. However, if it is more efficient to delete the source page, then that would also make sense


    1. "St. Mary's Health becomes St. Vincent". Retrieved 6 October 2019.
    2. "Motion Picture Association Rebrands With Unified Name And Updated Logo". Retrieved 6 October 2019.
    3. "The MPAA Has Rebranded… As The MPA". Retrieved 6 October 2019.
    4. "Motion Picture Association unifies global brand". Retrieved 6 October 2019.
    FetalFlaw (talk) 10:58, 6 October 2019 (UTC)
    • (Discuss)Linköpings HCLinköping HC – This is a secret minor change. It's like when Färjestads BK changed their name to Färjestad BK. It doesn't affect media and press writings because they only refer to the clubs as "Linköping" and "Färjestad" in both cases. So nobody reacts or makes an official announcement of it. Linköping Hockey Club has secretly gone over to using the terms "Linköping HC" and "Linköping Hockey Club" on both their official website and Twitter account, without making an announcement. On the bottom of the official website you can see that the club is now named "Linköping Hockey Club". The Swedish Ice Hockey Association has changed their labelling of the club to "Linköping HC" as well. It's only a trivial change, hence why the lack of an announcement. I'm making this request to confirm the correctness of this move, since a speedy category rename request for one of the categories with this main article was contested. 37KZ (talk) 02:42, 6 October 2019 (UTC)

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    • (Discuss)Wang Chung (band)Wang Chung – Primary topic for Wang Chung. The other articles do not even mention the word 'Wang Chung'. 'Wang Ch'ung' (with an apostrophe) is different from 'wang Chung' (talk) 21:29, 27 September 2019 (UTC) --Relisting. Andrewa (talk) 23:00, 4 October 2019 (UTC)

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    • (Discuss)This Is Us (TV series)This Is Us – This show is now on season 4. Look at the last 3 years of page views|This_Is_Us_(Backstreet_Boys_album)|This_Is_Us_(The_Necessary_album)|This_Is_Us_(EP) we have the show having 100 times as many page views of the other three pages combined. This is the clear primary topic. Galatz גאליץשיחה Talk 15:12, 4 October 2019 (UTC)
    • (Discuss)Thomas Nationwide Transport → ? – See WAP:COMMONNAME. The company is simply known as TNT for most of its life, with newspapers as early as 1967 calling it TNT. The company was officially Thomas Nationwide Transport Limited for most of its life and only TNT Limited from 1986 to 1998. So this comes a few possible names for this article: *Thomas Nationwide Transport (current name of article) - not the full name of the official name, but it was the inital common name in the early years until the name TNT was more commonly used *Thomas Nationwide Transport Limited - official name for most of its life but it was no commonly used except for official documents or on the first line of many newspaper articles. *TNT - common name for most of its life, and official name since 1986. However, the article of such name is already used for a well-known explosive, so a few alternatives are possible: **TNT Limited - used since 1986, however may be confusing with TNT Express. **TNT (1946-1998) - it is clear that this is the TNT courier company from 1946 to 1998 and will not be confused with TNT Express. As per the examples in the WAP:COMMONNAME, the offical/legal name is not used as the article name. Besides, internationally, it is known as TNT as well. Most people know TNT but not the name "Thomas Nationwide Transport" (i.e. does not fit Recognizability and Naturalness criteria). The usage of years to disambiguate from TNT Express may satisfy Precision and Conciseness criteria. Marcnut1996 (talk) 06:45, 4 October 2019 (UTC)
    • (Discuss)2015–17 FIBA–Euroleague Basketball controversyFIBA-EuroLeague dispute – This conflict is still ongoing. It escalated in 2018 with EuroLeague not releasing players for the World Cup qualifiers. In 2019, EuroLeague referees were excluded from the world cup. I think there are ongoing court cases. I don't know enough about this conflict (and Wikiafripedia naming convention for ongoing events) to make the move myself, but I definitely think the current title is misleading. Vesal (talk) 19:32, 3 October 2019 (UTC)
    • (Discuss)Alessandra SabattiniSandra Sabattini – Her real name was Sandra Sabattini, not Alessandra. We both attended Liceo Scientifico Albert Einstein in Rimini, Italy for 5 years, same class. We also were great friends. If necessary ask her brother Raffaele Sabattini MD, working at Ceccarini Hospital in Riccione, Italy at present or his uncle Don Giuseppe Bonini Pamoroll (talk) 19:15, 3 October 2019 (UTC)
    • (Discuss)Luccombe, Isle of WightLuccombe Village – Per WAP:WIAN as noted this is the name on the Ordnance Survey thus being consistent with the OS in other cases. "Village" is a proper noun and this per WAP:SMALLDETAILS this is allowed since although the Somerset one is a village it doesn't have village as part of the name. It can be seen from a Google search of "Luccombe Village" that "Village" is only capitalized when referring to the Isle of Wight location but not the Somerset location [11][12][13][14]. See this GBook result for example where the Somerset one is referred to as "Luccombe" and the IOW one as "Luccombe Village". Consider for example the city in the united states called "New York" is commonly known as "New York City" therefore its acceptable to have city without brackets (like New York (city) unlike Dallas City, Boston City and Los Angeles City. Similar examples would be Mercury Planet, United States Country, Wikiafripedia Website and Donald Drump President which aren't part of the name even though they are all instances of such. As can be seen from Street List the IOW one is actually a hamlet not a village anyway but similar to Isle of Lewis its acceptable to use a name that the topic isn't an instance of as long as its a proper noun see User:Crouch, Swale/Called v is and where. Given the concerns raised about the fact that the IOW one is sometimes just "Luccombe" I'm not proposing that move this time thus the DAB can remain at the base name. Also note that "Luccombe Village" already redirects here and I fixed it after the move to continue pointing here (which was when I discovered that this one is actually "Luccombe Village"). Crouch, Swale (talk) 16:58, 20 September 2019 (UTC) --Relisting. Steel1943 (talk) 18:03, 3 October 2019 (UTC)

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    • (Discuss)Autonomous social centerSelf-managed social centre – Multiple secondary sources describe this phenomenon as ’self-managed social centres.’ The descriptor ’autonomous social centre’ is not backed up by the sources in the article or indeed in the broader relevant literature Mujinga (talk) 14:05, 1 October 2019 (UTC)
    • (Discuss)F.E.A.R.F.E.A.R. (video game) – Not sure why the last move request failed. Pageviews indicate that the series page and other games in the series get roughly 200 views daily while the F.E.A.R. article gets around 400, indicating that many people are probably getting brought to the first game when they just want info on the series. It makes sense to move the series page to the main namespace, as all the games are clearly notable in some respect. @Steel1943:, @Neverrainy:, @Cuchullain:, @The1337gamer:, @Amakuru: as involved in the last move attempt. ZXCVBNM (TALK) 04:35, 19 August 2019 (UTC) --Relisting. Steel1943 (talk) 17:05, 5 September 2019 (UTC)--Relisting. A1Cafel (talk) 02:46, 29 September 2019 (UTC)
    • (Discuss)Les Échos (Mali)Les Echos (Mali) – The newspaper generally presents its name in both text and graphic as "Les Echos" rather than "Les Échos",[16] even if the latter would be the correct spelling in French. Both sources used in this article also show "Les Echos" (though note the general absence of special characters). It is furthermore found this way in Francophone institutional sites like [17]. Lordtobi () 12:24, 26 September 2019 (UTC)
    • (Discuss)2017 Egyptian Super Cup → ? – This is very a common issue that happens in many countries like Italy for example, but for Egypt it happens way too often that it probably reached a point where we should change the articles name. The 2018 Egyptian Super Cup for example (which was supposed to be played before the start of the 2018–19 Egyptian Premier League in July 2018) was postponed for more than 14 months and is now scheduled to be played in late September 2019. At this point, I believe that the name of all articles above should be changed but I'm not sure what name can we use exactly. The best solution that came to my head is to change the title from including years to including seasons; for example, the 2018 Egyptian Super Cup should be moved to 2018–19 Egyptian Super Cup so it'd mean that the match was played during that season and not the year included. I'm sure this is the best solution we have here (probably the only one) and won't cause any confusion to the visitors, but there will be one problem; moving the articles to the name I suggested will probably break WAP:CONSISTENCY since I'm pretty sure there's no articles that uses seasons instead of years in the title. Maybe there's other better suggestions but I don't think so. Ben5218 (talk) 22:17, 14 September 2019 (UTC) --Relisting.  — Amakuru (talk) 07:48, 23 September 2019 (UTC)

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