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WAP age matters[edit source | edit]

Hy RuStr12 again, regarding WAP: AGE MATTERS policy does it implies to an old historical letters or documents written between two governments or persons and how old must material be to be considered that is not significant in historical matter RuStr12 (talk) 06:04, 6 September 2020 (UTC)

  • Courtesy link: WAP:AGE MATTERS, a subsection of WAP:RS. First time in almost 9 years I've seen that, but I avoid science articles like the plauge (actually, bad metaphor. I'm doing pretty well at actually avoiding the plauge, PTL) John from Idegon (talk) 06:17, 6 September 2020 (UTC)
Thanks man RuStr12 (talk) 06:20, 6 September 2020 (UTC)
@RuStr12: I don't think a general rule is possible for documents written between two governments or persons. It all depends on the subject and the entities involved. If you have a specific case, I'd suggest WAP:RSN. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 07:07, 6 September 2020 (UTC)
Thanks man ,this link will be useful for my research RuStr12 (talk) 07:16, 6 September 2020 (UTC)
RuStr12, my understanding is that WAP:AGE MATTERS applies to secondary and tertiary sources — as more evidence is found and more examination is done, our understanding of a topic improves. It doesn't apply to primary sources such as letters contemporary with the event. Maproom (talk) 07:47, 6 September 2020 (UTC)
Thanks man somehow I understood like that too, the more sources mentioning the material the more is reliable regardless how old it is, but still is a little bit confusing i.e. if I would buy the the book from Lazaro Soranzo a 17th century historian and used it as a source, would it be better to quote newer historians which using him as a source or can I go directly to him. The same question would go for Tacitus who is even older RuStr12 (talk) 08:09, 6 September 2020 (UTC)
Not everyone here is a "man". David notMD (talk) 10:12, 6 September 2020 (UTC)
Thanks ,person. RuStr12 (talk) 17:04, 6 September 2020 (UTC)
@RuStr12: What about the dogs? Think about the dogs! —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 20:15, 6 September 2020 (UTC)
Hahahah, good one. RuStr12 (talk) 20:45, 6 September 2020 (UTC)
Both {{gender|Maproom}} and {{gender|AlanM1}} return "he" at the time I am writing so I suppose neither of them would object on gender grounds. "Thanks man" might still be a bit informal for people you have never met before. TigraanClick here to contact me 11:09, 7 September 2020 (UTC)
@Tigraan: Matt Groening has had a remarkable impact on society. Face-smile.svg —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 08:46, 9 September 2020 (UTC)

shall we delete this page?[edit source | edit]

yo i was typing gibberish into the wikipedia search bar and found a page on some dude named Eka Santika. It hasn't been updated in a decade. Shall we delete it? Nolanisntfunny (talk) 17:15, 6 September 2020 (UTC)

@Nolanisntfunny: Probably not. Article age or time since last update is not a problem. Is there anything else wrong with it? RudolfRed (talk) 17:21, 6 September 2020 (UTC)
More of what I'm pushing is that it just ends abruptly. Doesn't mention retirement, change of teams, nothing. just stops at 2009-10 Nolanisntfunny (talk) 17:25, 6 September 2020 (UTC)Nolanisntfunny
@Nolanisntfunny, in that case why don’t you try and expand/improve the page? An article being stale is not a valid reason to put it up for deletion. Furthermore what you did here is called vandalism & was quite disruptive please don’t do such again. Celestina007 17:32, 6 September 2020 (UTC)
i did not mean to do that. Nolanisntfunny (talk) 17:38, 6 September 2020 (UTC)nolanisntfunny
aight then. sorta doing what I can... he hasn't seemed to have played a game in 10 years, at least not in the Indonesian SuperLeague, so i'll add former. i'll try and find his stats because as of now his statistics table is blank. another reason why i thought it should be deleted. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nolanisntfunny (talkcontribs) 17:48, 6 September 2020 (UTC)
Nolanisntfunny, we don't delete an article for being out of date or being low-quality. We instead update it and improve it. —valereee (talk) 19:42, 6 September 2020 (UTC)

aight i've done what i could to it... pretty damn impossible to find anything on him. feel like i'm talking to a brick wall when I say it should be deleted... guess i'll stick to hockey. Nolanisntfunny (talk) 19:45, 6 September 2020 (UTC)nolanisntfunny

There is no reason it should be deleted. Notability is not temporary. See WAP:N. RudolfRed (talk) 20:25, 6 September 2020 (UTC)
Yes, we keep articles for the history that it provides about a person.Tribe of Tiger Let's Purrfect! 20:37, 6 September 2020 (UTC)
@Nolanisntfunny: Assuming that the person hasn't played in ten years, why do you think that means it should be deleted? This isn't an "encyclopedia of currently active sports figures". —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 21:27, 6 September 2020 (UTC)
because, and i'm gonna use a word here, there ain't shit about him anywhere. Nolanisntfunny (talk) 02:50, 7 September 2020 (UTC)nolanisntfunny
Existing articles do not need recent content in order to be valid articles. AfD is the process if you are of the opinion that the article should not exist. An Administrator will then make a decision. David notMD (talk) 18:46, 7 September 2020 (UTC)
There's been no coverage of the last 3 months of Jesus's life for 2000 years. By your extremely faulty logic, we should delete Jesus too? Guess'd better go do that. John from Idegon (talk) 19:31, 7 September 2020 (UTC)
@John from Idegon: Hey, could you link me your diff addition about the coverage of Jesus? I want to thank it. Regards, Jeromi Mikhael (marhata) 14:25, 8 September 2020 (UTC)

Articles in italics[edit source | edit]

How do you make the name of an article be in italics? Josedimaria237 (talk) 17:53, 6 September 2020 (UTC) Josedimaria237 (talk) 17:53, 6 September 2020 (UTC)

Template:Italic title if the article meets the criteria. --David Biddulph (talk) 17:57, 6 September 2020 (UTC)
Often you don't need the Italics. If you make the boldface with italics like in Finding Dory, it will automatically become italics. GeraldWL 01:26, 7 September 2020 (UTC)
@Gerald Waldo Luis: Just for your information, the italic title of the article Finding Dory is caused not by any use of "boldface with italics", but by the use of Template:Infobox film, which automatically italicizes the title of the article. (Some other infoboxes, such as Template:Infobox book, also do this.) Deor (talk) 18:28, 7 September 2020 (UTC)
Ah, right. GeraldWL 00:41, 8 September 2020 (UTC)

Article rejected[edit source | edit]

My below article was rejected 3 times for copy paste reason. let me know which data need to remove and which data to keep in article. waiting for your reply. Xenderdom (talk) 06:52, 7 September 2020 (UTC)

@Xenderdom: The article has been deleted because some or all of the material was copy/pasted from It's really quite simple. You can't copy material from anywhere. It's a violation of copyright law to do so. You have to summarize the sources using your own words and structure (i.e., you can't just change words to synonyms of those words and keep the same sentence and paragraph structure). Please read and understand WAP:YFA. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 07:37, 7 September 2020 (UTC)

User name[edit source | edit]

i am having trouble changing my user name i am in desperate need. i have been told to ask the question here. can someone help me please help me. Alvin kipchumba kosgei (talk) 09:04, 7 September 2020 (UTC)

Alvin kipchumba kosgei Hello and welcome to the Coffeehouse. I'm not sure what the nature of your difficulty is; you may make a username change request using either Special:GlobalRenameRequest(if you have an email added to your account preferences) or WAP:CHUS(if you don't). 331dot (talk) 09:21, 7 September 2020 (UTC)

thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alvin kipchumba kosgei (talkcontribs) 09:23, 7 September 2020 (UTC)

Archives for Talk:Superstition ?[edit source | edit]

While obiviously Superstition is a subject of perennial disagreement and history of Talk:Superstition seems to begin from 2002 AD then I wonder why previous discussions of the talk page have not been archived or is it a case of archived but not linked? Please can some one look into this and provide suitable support.

Thanks and regards Bookku (talk) 09:27, 7 September 2020 (UTC)

It looks like its just never been archived. And given the massive chronological mess that it's in, it's going to need someone with free time and the patience of a saint to sort out. Or draw a line under it and just archive the old stuff as-is. - X201 (talk) 09:35, 7 September 2020 (UTC)

@ User:X201, Thanks I did not realize it. It seems that some users before 2007 did not sign and some previous comments before 2007 deleted. But which edit deleted is not clear. Probably some one while adding bigger comment deleted previous ones so it's not visible in minus edits. Btw how to show dif of First edit I can show of dif of second edit Bookku (talk) 04:29, 8 September 2020 (UTC)

Article declined[edit source | edit]

I'm wondering why my article about the Finnish company Solving got declined.

The article is a translation of the same article from Finnish Wikiafripedia. Avokadomackan (talk) 10:45, 7 September 2020 (UTC)

@Avokadomackan: First, English Wikiafripedia is a separate project, with its own criteria for notability. An article being present on another Wikiafripedia is worth no more towards establishing notability than an article on a blog, someone's Facebook page, etc., which is to say, nothing.
This article has been repeatedly declined for various reasons (as it says in all the gray boxes inside the pink boxes stacked at the top of the draft), mostly notability, so I'll stick to that. I looked at the eight sources that are currently present. Four of them are from or, and so are not useful (or even reliable, except for basic facts per WAP:PRIMARY). appears to be a directory service (it's in our list of yellow pages). is simply a mention of the award, with no WAP:DEPTH of coverage. That leaves Manufacturing Today and HSS, both of which have the feel of a paid promotional piece, though I welcome more experienced source reviewers to comment. Even if both were considered independent and reliable, the normal rule of thumb is at least three such sources. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 11:44, 7 September 2020 (UTC)
@Avokadomackan: Also, I've removed the text of the Technology section, which was copied letter-for-letter from the HSS source. Please don't do that. It's against the law. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 11:48, 7 September 2020 (UTC)
I confirmed the copying, and used revision deletion to remove the copyrighted text from the history. Thanks for spotting this, AlanM1. Avokadomackan, please understand that you must not copy directly from other sources unless you are inserting a quotation, which must be properly marked, attributed, and cited. Also, a few changes in wording are not enough, the facts must be recast in an original form of expression -- that is write new and original sentences and paragraphs. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 15:19, 7 September 2020 (UTC)

Please review and suggest improvements[edit source | edit] Editingwork8 (talk) 10:53, 7 September 2020 (UTC)

You have two versions there. Delete the first one. David notMD (talk) 11:07, 7 September 2020 (UTC)

@David notMD Ok — Preceding unsigned comment added by Editingwork8 (talkcontribs) 11:21, 7 September 2020 (UTC)

Deleted some stuff and created sections. Keep working on it. Why so many words capitalized? David notMD (talk) 13:42, 7 September 2020 (UTC)

An Article discrepancy found, I do not edit but would like to report.[edit source | edit]

There isn't a way I could possibly know what is 100% correct with this issue. A report feels wiser.

wiki article discrepancy

The Sinking of the RMS Titanic is listed twice with different hit values.

under the 100k hits portion: number 6: Sinking of the RMS Titanic (15 April 2012) with 177,500 hits

number 51: (or 12th from the bottom) Sinking of the RMS Titanic (15 April 2012) with 102,184 hits.

The Sinking fo the RMS Titanic is listed twice with different hit values.

under the 100k hits portion: number 6: Sinking of the RMS Titanic (15 April 2012) with 177,500 hits

number 51: (or 12th from the bottom) Sinking of the RMS Titanic (15 April 2012) with 102,184 hits. 2601:C4:8381:6FB0:F4C9:BE11:9F20:10F7 (talk) 11:40, 7 September 2020 (UTC)

Try reading it again, the second one doesn't say "15 April 2012"; it says "15 April 2018". David Biddulph (talk) 11:50, 7 September 2020 (UTC)

Wikiafripedia Page for David Day, Canadian Writer is redirected[edit source | edit]


The wikipedia page for David Day, Canadian Writer has been redirected to "Reception of J. R. R. Tolkien From Wikiafripedia, the free encyclopedia

 (Redirected from David Day (Canadian writer))"

Please can you help restore to the original page and prevent this from happening again?

This seems to be part of a continuing campaign on information for David Day. KingoftheWoods (talk) 15:09, 7 September 2020 (UTC) KingoftheWoods (talk) 15:09, 7 September 2020 (UTC)

Replied at the help desk. Please dont ask the same question multiple times, it wastes everyone's time. Victor Schmidt (talk) 15:10, 7 September 2020 (UTC)

I panicked as my page has disappeared to be redirected to a page published by by a fan club.

Please can you help restore.

To assist, I provide my credible sources again.

Current Credible Publishers: Penguin Random House - Quattro Books - Octopus - Simon and Schuster:[sort]=BOOK_ORDER%7C0%7C%7CTITLE%7C1

Current Sales on Amazon -

These are not self published but my well known publishers and most have been published in up to 7 languages.

Newspaper/Article Links New Scientist: BC Book World - Quill and Quire - Detroit Free Press -

TV Links Searching for the Hobbit -


There are hundreds of reviews of David Day's books easily available. — Preceding unsigned comment added by KingoftheWoods (talkcontribs) 16:28, 7 September 2020 (UTC)

Please stop posting here, KingoftheWoods. As you were told above, posting in multiple places just wastes people's time. I have replied to you at the Help desk. --ColinFine (talk) 17:17, 7 September 2020 (UTC)

coerced labor - legal forms needed to file a Bonded Labor or Debt Bondage case[edit source | edit]

legal forms needed to file a Bonded Labor or Debt Bondage case (talk) 17:14, 7 September 2020 (UTC)

This is Wikiafripedia. We are not a search engine or a government office. If you want those forms, please use google or ask a lawyer. CaptainEek Edits Ho Cap'n! 18:05, 7 September 2020 (UTC)

Have any Wikiafripedia editors died of COVID?[edit source | edit]

I admit this is kind of a weird question but I am curious. Dingleberries Fincter (talk) 17:51, 7 September 2020 (UTC)

Dingleberries Fincter, Yes, a few sadly. CaptainEek Edits Ho Cap'n! 18:03, 7 September 2020 (UTC)

John Mock Infobox[edit source | edit]

Link to page: John Mock

I'm trying to update the instrument list in the Infobox. All of the instruments are appearing in the saved text but aren't appearing in the actual Infobox on the page. Can you please help? Thank you! Bhsas (talk) 22:03, 7 September 2020 (UTC)

Welcome to the Coffeehouse, Bhsas. I've fixed it (more by luck than by judgement, though I can explain how, if you need me to). Please note that the Template instructions make it very clear that "Instruments listed in the infobox should be limited to only those that the artist is primarily known for using. The instruments infobox parameter is not intended as a WAP:COATRACK for every instrument the subject has ever used.". So, you will need to cite sources to show that these are the main instruments that they use. Nick Moyes (talk) 22:34, 7 September 2020 (UTC)

The preview as a template, or as a module, or as a JavaScript?[edit source | edit]

Hi! I just want to ask, if the hover preview function (when you hover on top of a main article, then it shows a preview) exists as a template, a module, or as a JavaScript?

Thanks! (talk) 00:31, 8 September 2020 (UTC)

I'm new and wanting to publish my first page but having trouble citing sources and web pages and news etc.[edit source | edit]

Hi. My name is Mike I'm trying to create a new page but got rejected, the editor said:

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reasons left by KylieTastic were: This submission is not adequately supported by reliable sources. Reliable sources are required so that information can be verified. If you need help with referencing, please see Referencing for beginners and Citing sources. This submission's references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikiafripedia article—that is, they do not show significant coverage (not just passing mentions) about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject. Before any resubmission, additional references meeting these criteria should be added (see technical help and learn about mistakes to avoid when addressing this issue). If no additional references exist, the subject is not suitable for Wikiafripedia. Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit when they have been resolved. If you would like to continue working on the submission, go to Draft:The Liar's Dividend and click on the "Edit" tab at the top of the window. If you now believe the draft cannot meet Wikiafripedia's standards or do not wish to progress it further, you may request deletion. Please go to Draft:The Liar's Dividend, click on the "Edit" tab at the top of the window, add "{{Db-g7}}" at the top of the draft text and click the blue "publish changes" button to save this edit. If you do not make any further changes to your draft, in 6 months, it will be considered abandoned and may be deleted. If you need any assistance, you can ask for help at the Articles for creation help desk, on the reviewer's talk page or use Wikiafripedia's real-time chat help from experienced editors. KylieTastic (talk) 19:51, 7 September 2020 (UTC)

and cite news:

I'm not sure what the rules are on Wikiafripedia relating to citing social media comments so that is also something I would be interested in taking advice on too...  Micstusmi (talk) 01:07, 8 September 2020 (UTC)

In the feedback which you received, on the draft & on your user talk page, the words in blue are wikilinks to further advice. Try reading the pages to which the links lead, particularly Help:Referencing for beginners. Also, in quoting the message you added the template {{Db-g7}} to this Coffeehouse page, thus nominating it for deletion. I have changed your message to link to the template rather than applying it to this page. --David Biddulph (talk) 02:05, 8 September 2020 (UTC)
Courtesy, the item in question is Draft:The Liar's Dividend. In my opinion, not even close to being acceptable. The entire " a sentence" section needs to be deleted, and most of the rest is in the form of an essay, i.e., your original thoughts on the matter, rather than what published sources say. David notMD (talk) 02:31, 8 September 2020 (UTC)

New Editor for Advice[edit source | edit]

New Editor for Advice Hi, folks. I have a ton of information about the architecture of the Nassau County, NY town where I'm stuck during lockdown. I'm thinking about contributing it to Wikiafripedia so that if more information can be generated, the seeds will be sown here. A lot of the information is barren. It would be more of the skeleton of a new branch of wikipedia, based on connections made by meticulously studied government records. It's a bit daunting, requiring links to a lot of other pages, and the creation of a lot of new ones, those linking to photos, ultimately, which I've taken and most of which I probably would add to the public domain here. I'm absolutely confident in my writing style at this point, but I can humbly say I'd be happy for any advice as to strategies or pitfalls to avoid.

Thanks so much! Ambassador.Ryan (talk) 01:55, 8 September 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Ambassador.Ryan. Your first step is to read and study Your first article. I am concerned that the foundation of your work will be "meticulously studied government records". Government records are primary sources which can be used by journalists, historians and other professional researchers. What Wikiafripedia editors do is summarize the published work of such professionals. But one of our core content policies is that Wikiafripedia does not publish original research and such content is not allowed in this encyclopedia. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 02:30, 8 September 2020 (UTC)
As an alternative, you could consider adding a Significant architecture section to Nassau County, New York. Content should be referenced, as as Cullen328 mentioned, to secondary sources, not primary. David notMD (talk) 02:43, 8 September 2020 (UTC)

Copiague, New York[edit source | edit]

i live in the town that you took my stuff i wrote out of Uwuman13 (talk) 02:33, 8 September 2020 (UTC)

An editor reverted your edits because they were vandalism (deliberate misspellings, etc.). David notMD (talk) 02:38, 8 September 2020 (UTC)
Hello Uwuman13. You added your personal opinion that one neighborhood is better than another and some other nonsense, and you got reverted. Please stop all disruptive editing. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 02:40, 8 September 2020 (UTC)

Did I make an article?[edit source | edit]

Did I make an article here? If so, did I do it correctly and does anyone have any suggestions? Is it likely to be deleted? Thank you. Lima Bean Farmer (talk) 03:46, 8 September 2020 (UTC)

Hello again, Lima Bean Farmer. Yes that is an article, and at least technically correct in form. Whether the sources are sufficient to pas WAP:NORG and so demonstrate Notability, I am not prepared to judge at the moment. I did add a minor clarification that this is a US political group campaigning in a US election, which the article failed to state. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 04:40, 8 September 2020 (UTC)

Some issues with sources and article-editing[edit source | edit]

I tried to edit the article Chandragupta Maurya with information I found recently on reliable sources, particularly books and old encyclopedias, but when I publish it, another user tells me there are not enough sources. However, the sources I use are not online opinions, but rather books and old encyclopedias on print and PDF. Why, still, my article edits keep getting undone by others? MansoBoricua (talk) 04:57, 8 September 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for asking, MansoBoricua. You and RegentsPark should discuss this at Talk:Chandragupta Maurya. -- Hoary (talk) 05:32, 8 September 2020 (UTC)

Where do we discuss the subjects of an Article?[edit source | edit]

I am not sure I understand, and now I am scared to be banned from Wikiafripedia.

I made a SINGLE "undo" on a page about Patriot Prayer. I was not aware there was a partisan edit war going on. I then added "talk:" in front of the url and discussed why I made the undo (First, Do No Harm) Then an admin told me: "we don't use talk pages to discuss the subjects of an article, however interesting your question might be"

I am afraid to continue on the talk page, because people are saying things I do not understand, using jargon I have never come across before: "I suggest ANI or ArbEnf on Rian Geldenhuys' repeated NOTHERE behavior, if he isn't blocked or banned before you get to it."

Please help - I am not here to fight - only to build an encyclopedia. I was a television news editor for 22 years and consider myself experienced in avoiding harmful biographies of living persons. I cite the sources accurately and am told it is "contrary to the sources". Rian Geldenhuys (talk) 05:21, 8 September 2020 (UTC)

You appear to be talking about something in "Talk:Joey Gibson". Gibson is the founder (I read) of something called "Patriot Prayer" (PP). You take very seriously his description of PP. I'd agree that his description of it is worth a mention; but what matters much more are descriptions of PP from independent, reliable, published sources. There are numerous instances of organizations describing themselves in one way but being generally described in more or less authoritative sources in a way that contradicts this; Wikiafripedia follows the latter. Wikiafripedia avoids what's potentially libelous; but as for harm, it avoids harming its readers by whitewashing what's important and verifiable in order not to hurt the feelings of particular people. -- Hoary (talk) 05:51, 8 September 2020 (UTC)

Dear Hoary Thank you very much - but with the greatest of respect - could you also try and answer my question: "Where do we discuss the subject of an Article?" That said - let us use the case/example for the sake of gaining clarity. Your point about the harm of whitewashing it taken. But so is the harm of telling one sided stories. I respectfully disagree with your assumption that I "take very seriously his description of Patriot Prayer". You are incorrect to assume that. I worry when my personality is under discussion. In the last 24 hours I have been called a "bot", a "repeated NOTHERE behaviour" person and a stalker and was accused of threatening people with a lawsuit. I am not even in USA, so I can certainly not sue anyone there - neither do I want to. For the record - I do not take him seriously - I take the sources seriously and the sources tell both sides of the story. If I have a POV, it is to report both sides of the story without fail. As I said I have many years of experience and TV News editor at a Public Broadcaster and I do not have a POV on the matter. I notice though that the selective characterisation seems to cause people to shoot each other. I do not take HIM seriously. I take the SOURCES seriously and the sources say that he describes himself as a "Moderate Libertarian". It is my humble submission that the sources are selectively used, and that is not encyclopaedic. I wish for Wikiafripedia to be encyclopedic - because it is all we got. Rian Geldenhuys (talk) 07:05, 8 September 2020 (UTC)

Regarding your main point, it has been explained to you at length already that we do not respect a subject's self-characterization when it goes opposite what reliable sources say. For example, politicians of all party affiliations and all nationalities have a tendency to claim they are the victim of a vast judicial/media conspiracy when they are accused of or condemned for various crimes; it would be absolutely not "balance" or "fairness" to report this self-interested characterization against reliable sources as a "both sides" story, see WAP:BALANCE. TigraanClick here to contact me 08:07, 8 September 2020 (UTC)
Rian Geldenhuys, your edit summary "What a living person SELF IDENTIFIES as is what we write - not what others that do not know him claims he is" shows a misunderstanding of how Wikiafripedia works. Wikiafripedia's policy is to base its articles on what is written about the subject in reliable independent published sources. What a subject says about himself is likely to be biased, and should be treated as unreliable – though it may be quoted. Maproom (talk) 07:51, 8 September 2020 (UTC)
True, but one shouldn't attribute a description to a particular source when the description doesn't appear there. And this, I think, is what RG objects to. -- Hoary (talk) 07:59, 8 September 2020 (UTC)
I looked, and I agree that you (Rian Geldenhuys) have a point. And so I've added my two groats on that talk page. (Perhaps I'll be blocked too!) Advice: stay cool and terse. (And don't suggest that you're particularly well qualified to make judgments, even if you are.) -- Hoary (talk) 07:59, 8 September 2020 (UTC)
@Hoary: just to clarify, Rian Gildenhuys wrote " I happen to take an interest in why people murder others in the street and I saw a video of this man mourning his friends death in Portland. I am wondering what caused the murder and mayhem. Could it be because of demonisation and symbolisation? Rian Geldenhuys (talk) 6:06 am, Yesterday (UTC+1)" It was that specific comment that I told him wasn't appropriate for the article talk page, not his other comments. The comment about ANI was made by @Hipal/Ronz: who might want to chip in. Doug Weller talk 08:25, 8 September 2020 (UTC)
No objection from me to your objection, Doug Weller, to that comment. (And pinging Hipal, as I believe he is.) -- Hoary (talk) 08:50, 8 September 2020 (UTC)
This is very sweet Jorm. Does that mean you are an Administrator? Should I obey your every whim? Is it time to move a service such as Wikiafripedia OUT of the USA perhaps? Is the Electronic Frontier at risk? Did Aaron Swartz sacrifice so much for nothing? [1]. --Hipal/Ronz (talk) 16:14, 8 September 2020 (UTC)

User:Sweetpool50 appears to be engaging in "gatekeeping" behaviour.[edit source | edit]

I was notified that a copyedit I'd made to Beau Brummell had been undone, with the comment "not helpful". Looking at the history of that article, this user has made more undoes to this article than actual substantive edits, undoing nearly every change made to it. On reviewing Special:Contributions/Sweetpool50, this is a more general pattern; user's behaviour seems to fit patterns at WAP:OWN. How to proceed? IceKarma 06:25, 8 September 2020 (UTC)

Hi IceKarma. While I wouldn't have probably left the same edit summary as Sweetpool50 did when they reverted the edit you made, I do tend to agree that your edit, though made in good faith, was probably not an improvement per se. Generally, MOS:DATERANGE advises us to use spaced n-dashes in cases when dates in different years are involved; so, your change to a regular n-dash seems contrary to that. In addition, although bold text is also used for the first mention of names in articles per MOS:BIO#First mention, I think your tweak of the bold syntax for "Beau" was a mistake per MOS:BIO#Pseudonyms, stage names, nicknames, hypocorisms, and common names since your edit made the quote marks also bold, which doesn't seem to be common practice. As for the other change you made, moving the reference inside of the paranthesis could unintentionally change the target of the citation from the everything that precedes the footnote marker to only the date of Brummell's death. That might have been why that part of your edit was also undone.
As for your general comments about gatekeeping, it probably would be a bit more helpful for Sweetpool50 to leave more specific edit summaries which actually reference the policy and guideline reason an edit is being undone; however, lots of editors also don't do as much and it's perfectly OK for you to ask for clarification about the edit on the article's talk page if you like. So, I'm not sure that the edits being made to that article disruptive which is what gamekeeping behavior seems to imply. Some editors are highly vested in certain articles per WAP:STEWARDSHIP, which is not automatically a bad thing; however, you should feel free to ask for clarification for any edits that were made on the article's talk page if you think it's needed or you're unable to figure out why they were made. -- Marchjuly (talk) 06:54, 8 September 2020 (UTC)

Suggestion re disambiguation bot[edit source | edit]

There is a BOT that advises editors that they have linked to a disambiguation page rather than directly to the article in question. My suggestion is to mark disambiguated links as soon as they occur, instead of waiting days for the BOT to advise you. Something like this:

  • Hooo - red - no such page or spelling error.
  • Ho - blue - disambiguation page - should be say yellow actually orange :-) :-) ----MountVic127 (talk) 09:16, 9 September 2020 (UTC)
  • Ho - blue - good - no disambiguation ----MountVic127 (talk) 06:33, 8 September 2020 (UTC)
@MountVic127: There is an add-on listed in Preferences that allows you to see that. I see them as yellow. -- a lad insane (channel two) 06:38, 8 September 2020 (UTC)
I wish more people would enable that gadget. It's incredibly useful. Instead of the gadget, I use a more orangeish color by simply adding the following line to Special:MyPage/common.css:
.mw-disambig {color:#FF8921 !important;}
—[AlanM1 (talk)]— 18:13, 8 September 2020 (UTC)

Brilliantly simple :-) :-) ----MountVic127 (talk) 09:16, 9 September 2020 (UTC)

Article Publish Problem[edit source | edit]

what is the problem in my article as i wasnt published... and i am not being able to understand the reason of decline.. here is the link of draft FahimRahmanKhan (talk) 10:34, 8 September 2020 (UTC)

FahimRahmanKhan, you article isn't acceptable at all in its current form. Wikiafripedia is not the place to write what you know. Everything you add here is required to be paraphrased from reliable published sources, without exception, and you should cite those sources. You should read WAP:Your first article where what is required for any new article is explained. After you read that, feel free to return here if you need help understanding that guide. John from Idegon (talk) 10:58, 8 September 2020 (UTC)
It appears from your name, the subject of the article may be a relative of yours. If so, please also read WAP:COI. Thanks. John from Idegon (talk) 11:00, 8 September 2020 (UTC)
Article text should not contain hyperlinks. Nothing should be bold except the first use of the subjects name. You have many red wikilinks on names of organizations that are unlikely to ever be articles. And you have lots of unnecessary capitalizations. Of greater importance than any of this, all of your content is not referenced. David notMD (talk) 12:26, 8 September 2020 (UTC)

Concerned about Urdu Wikiafripedia articles' truthiness and neutrality[edit source | edit]

I don't know Coffeehouse is the right platform for this issue or not, but I am posting my concern. (Please mention the right platform to address this concern) I auto translated some of the Urdu Wikiafripedia articles just for curiosity and read, I shocked by the false and propaganda type content on that Urdu Wikiafripedia. I am posting some of these here, compare it with English Wikiafripedia (Which is most edited and trustworthy).

Urdu version claims two Indian officers and 13 salesmen were killed, while English Wikiafripedia claims no casulties.

Urdu version claims No country has had a clear victory in this war. But the Pakistani army shot down three Indian fighter jets. In addition, the Indian army lost its balance in the Kargil sector and killed more than 700 soldiers, while English Wikiafripedia says Decisive Indian victory.

Urdu version claims Taking advantage of the Pakistani government's actions, Bengali separatists took advantage of the Mukti Bahini separatist movement in the eastern part of Pakistan, which later turned into a violent guerrilla force. India did not let this golden opportunity go to waste and showed its hypocrisy and took advantage of Pakistan's civil war and Mukti Bahini. it hardly seems neutral!!!

The UN resolution of 13 August 1948 stated that Pakistan would first withdraw its troops from Kashmir. Pakistan accepted the demand, but on March 14, 1950, the Security Council passed a resolution stating that the two countries would begin withdrawing troops at the same time. a false claims and propaganda type statements.

Although I stated few lines here, the most part of some articles are neutrality disputed and contains manipulated content. Majority of India-Pakistan related articles are neutrality disputed. I don't know the Urdu language enough to edit those articles. I can only add neutrality tags on it. (All lines I quote here from Urdu Wikiafripedia are auto translated by google translator.) ❯❯❯Praveg A=9.8 10:45, 8 September 2020 (UTC)

Pravega, this is English Wikiafripedia. It's an entirely separate organization with its own policies and procedures from Urdu Wikiafripedia. You'll need to contact someone at Urdu Wikiafripedia. John from Idegon (talk) 10:52, 8 September 2020 (UTC)
Hi @Pravega, as this isn't an English Wikiafripedia issue, we can't help much. You might want to bring this up on Meta Wiki, or the Urdu Wiki Embassy. There are clear issues here that need to be addressed ASAP. Ed talk! 10:57, 8 September 2020 (UTC)

Can anyone post the link of exact platform of Meta Wiki where I can post this issue??❯❯❯Praveg A=9.8 11:07, 8 September 2020 (UTC)

Pravega, The right place would be through the meta request for comment process. I will note that simply giving a few examples isn't going to convince anyone, as they could easily be mistakes. You will need to show a systemic problem with the wiki. Zoozaz1 (talk) 22:53, 8 September 2020 (UTC)

Black Squirrels[edit source | edit]

Do black squirrels have blue eyes??? I have a picture of one with blue eyes is it rare??? (talk) 11:33, 8 September 2020 (UTC)

Dunno. Coffeehouse is not for these questions. User: 12:31, 8 September 2020 (UTC)
Format fixed Victor Schmidt (talk) 13:04, 8 September 2020 (UTC)
@ Probably rare. Regards, Jeromi Mikhael (marhata) 14:28, 8 September 2020 (UTC)
This would be a good question for the Wikiafripedia:Reference desk. Please ask there. Also, @User:Jeromi Mikhael, pings don't work for Ips. Ghinga7 (talk) 15:21, 8 September 2020 (UTC)

COMPANY PAGE DELETED[edit source | edit]

Hi all,

new to this page, but not new to wikipedia. I established a fashion company 17 years ago. Around 15 years ago i posted a wiki page so that anyone interested in finding out the factual basis behind the company could do so. At the time i viewed (and still do) wikipedia as a reliable and factual based resource to discover 'fact' based information on a particular subject. The name of the fashion company is KING APPAREL. The article has existed in place since that time until now, 15+ years, and has now been deleted, based on a 'wiki gnomes' opinion that the article was not notable enough.

The brand is sold globally, online, exists on all major social platforms and without trying to come across as conceited, is one of, if not the foremost streetwear brand certainly in the United Kingdom and recognisable globally.

So i'm seeking some advice from more knowledgeable people from wikipedia, with regards to how i can re-post the brand page on wikipedia without having someone find fault and look to take it down again. Essentially the page is supposed to be a fact based resource article on the brand. That is all.

Incidentally, i do realise that wikipedia may view that i have a conflict of interest with posting a factual based page on a brand i founded and to this end i have declared this openly on my talk page so it is transparent. I would also like to point out that i have been told that this has nothing to do with the removal of the page.

Any tips and advice would be welcome.

many thanks Tim Hoad --Timhoad (talk) 11:50, 8 September 2020 (UTC)

The article was deleted as the result of this discussion (in which you were eligible to participate). The reason given for deletion wasn't that KA wasn't notable (in any normal sense of the word); it was that sources used for the article weren't reliable and didn't establish what Wikiafripedia terms notability. -- Hoary (talk) 12:22, 8 September 2020 (UTC)
Timhoad Hello and welcome to the Coffeehouse. You have a common misconception about what Wikiafripedia is; it is not a place for companies to tell the world about themselves, or as you put it, "posting a factual based page" Wikiafripedia is an encyclopedia that summarizes only what independent reliable sources with significant coverage (not name drops, brief mentions, press releases, routine business announcements, etc.) have chosen on their own to say about the subject, showing how it meets Wikiafripedia's special definition of a notable organization. Wikiafripedia has no interest in what a company wants to say about itself. It is usually very difficult for people in your position to write in the manner required; you in essence need to forget everything you know about your company and only write based on the content of independent sources. 331dot (talk) 12:25, 8 September 2020 (UTC)

Hi guys, i am aware of the conversation in 2007 as i was part of that at the time. I also understand the concept of what wikipedia represents. What i find hard to understand is why pages exist for other brands - for example >> which are effectively identical as the pre-existing KING APPAREL page, yet wikipedia does not appear to have a problem with these pages?! There appears to be no cohesive consensus in this case. So if LRG can write a page about their brand, i would like to know how we can.

thank you --Timhoad (talk) 13:05, 8 September 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Timhoad. In the deletion discussion, the article was described as It's blatantly promotional and full of editorialization/puffery.. Having reviewed the deleted text, I must agree. Such text as King has grown through an unwavering work ethic and constantly evolving dynamic:, From this modest beginning King has now grown to present fully comprehensive seasonal collections. KING have utilised their experience and knowledge in headwear development to manufacture their own line of headwear whilst paying homage to the old school, low profile, square bill shape of the original Starter hats and many other such comments ar quite unacceptable in a Wikiafripedia article. Besides better sourcing, this article needed a major rewrite to achieve neutrality. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 13:09, 8 September 2020 (UTC)
Hello, Timhoad Using the argument that other poor quality articles exist is not going to help. Theroadislong (talk) 13:13, 8 September 2020 (UTC)
Tim, as this is a volunteer project where people do what they can when they can, poor quality articles will get by us, it's just the way it is. You're welcome to assist the thousands of editors in detecting and addressing them if you wish. 331dot (talk) 14:10, 8 September 2020 (UTC)

hi guys, thank you for your input. the copy has been rewritten to exclude the "editorialisation/puffery". I agree that articles should not promote the subject matter, merely provide a factual and informative context. I would appreciate some prior vetting before attempting to get something back up if anyone would be happy to have a look. I would also assume that posting of said article should come via another independent source. I don't want there to be any conflict of interest if i can help it.

many thanks.--Timhoad (talk) 19:39, 8 September 2020 (UTC)

Rating question[edit source | edit]

What topics are rated higher than others? How should I go about contributing to a lower rated article?

I am a new editor on Wikiafripedia Cory C Ccarson2 (talk) 11:56, 8 September 2020 (UTC)

@Ccarson2: You can choose your favourite topic but try going on to improving stubs and try making your own article. Use This,this,This and This For articles..Nihaal 12:27, 8 September 2020 (UTC)

You appear to be a student in a Wikiafripedia class project. I imagine your instructor can be of some help. In general, at the top of Talk pages for articles, the articles are classified Stub, Start, C-class, B-class, etc. These are quality rankings. As Nihaal pointed out, adding reliably sourced references is a good starting point. A more advanced level of expertise would be replacing bad references. David notMD (talk) 12:35, 8 September 2020 (UTC)
Wikiafripedia has many feeble articles. Here's one that I discovered just today: Sharman Kadish. At a glance, it looks serious enough, and it has no warning templates. But if you examine it you discover that it has only two sources: (i) the biographee's own website; (ii) the website of an organization headed by the biographee. This is unacceptable. I don't know if the biographee merits an article; but if she does, it should be far better than this. -- Hoary (talk) 13:14, 8 September 2020 (UTC)

One of your school lessons points out the need to comply with WAP:MEDRS for any topic that relates to health, medicine, psychology... Not complying means your edits will be reverted (reversed). David notMD (talk) 15:52, 8 September 2020 (UTC)

Added a reference to a scientific study done in 37 countries - Did I do it right?[edit source | edit]

On Emotional Intelligence - thought it was helpful to see some actual research. Please let me know if done correctly! TruthLover123 (talk) 11:59, 8 September 2020 (UTC) @TruthLover123:

It reads like you reverted the old edit. Good.Nihaal 12:23, 8 September 2020 (UTC)

At Emotional intelligence, too much detail in your description, and you did not comply with standard reference format. Go back and fix. See other website refs for format. David notMD (talk) 12:41, 8 September 2020 (UTC)
You added just a bare URL. In this edit I expanded it to show further detail. David Biddulph (talk) 12:46, 8 September 2020 (UTC)

Article Publish Problem (References Added)[edit source | edit]

Article Publish Problem (References Added)

I have added cite in my article as a proof of references from published newspaper url. Is my article now able to be publish? If its yes then i want to submit it again for review FahimRahmanKhan (talk) 12:54, 8 September 2020 (UTC)

@FahimRahmanKhan: To submit an article for review, insert {{subst:submit}} to the top of the page you want to submit for review. Note that you need to copy it as it appears when you view this page, not as it appears in the edit window. Victor Schmidt (talk) 13:02, 8 September 2020 (UTC)
The draft has been declined twice, and many of the references are just passing mentions of the person by name rather than having extensive content about him. Also, there are sentences praising him that have no references, and are therefore seen as coming from you - the article creator - rather than independent, published sources. Draft needs more work. David notMD (talk) 15:58, 8 September 2020 (UTC)

Help learning wikitext[edit source | edit]


I just created a Wikiafripedia account, and I would like to know if any experienced Wikiafripedians would like to teach me the basics of Wikitext editing. I would greatly appreciate it if somebody was willing to guide me through my first couple of days on Wikiafripedia. My sandbox is at User:Ravenzing/sandbox for reference. Ravenzing (talk) 13:04, 8 September 2020 (UTC)

@Ravenzing: I suggest you have a look at Help:Wikitext, which covers most of the things you need for editing pages on Wikiafripedia. If you look for something to do, look at the Task Center. Maybe Wikiafripedia:Adopt-a-user is something for you. Victor Schmidt (talk) 14:08, 8 September 2020 (UTC)
@Ravenzing: see also Help:Introduction. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 16:03, 8 September 2020 (UTC)
@Ravenzing: Keep in mind that you can always view the text of an existing article and use that as a model. This is something I do from time to time. For example, I wanted to add a "citation needed" flag to an article I was editing but didn't know how to do that. So I found an existing article that had that flag, then went into "Edit source", from which I could see the relevant code. This approach shouldn't replace Help:Wikitext or the other help sources mentioned above, but might help supplement your knowledge. Mike Marchmont (talk) 16:39, 8 September 2020 (UTC)

My article has been moved back to draft after 90 days in mainspace[edit source | edit]

Hello Coffeehousers, I asked a question a week or so ago about Google searches, and I was happy to discover on Friday that my article was finally being found by Google. Thank you to those who replied. But this morning when I logged on, I discovered that someone named John from Idegon had moved the entire article back to draftspace, saying it had no sources. But it has books, magazines, and newspapers! How do I reverse this? Is there anyone I can appeal to? I've worked really hard on this, and I'm so disappointed. Btbky (talk) 13:45, 8 September 2020 (UTC)

To anyone reading this, I would suggest moving the responses to User_talk:John_from_Idegon#The_Iris_Network. Victor Schmidt (talk) 14:02, 8 September 2020 (UTC)

I did leave a message on John's talk page but he has not responded. Btbky (talk) 14:14, 8 September 2020 (UTC)

Can only edit source[edit source | edit]

Hello, I'd like to put references on my draft, but I can only edit the source. I remember from the Dutch wikipedia that I could Edit this Page, without having to mess around with the source code. Why can't I do this on my draft? It is hard referencing in the source code instead of the "front page". All my references are on the Dutch wikipedia page My draft page is called Mariecke van der Linden. Draft:Mariecke van der LindenVoortgang (talk) 16:04, 8 September 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Voortgang. When I pick "Edit" on your draft, there is then a pencil icon at the top right, allowing me to switch between visual editing and source editing. Have you got that? --ColinFine (talk) 16:23, 8 September 2020 (UTC)

How to start as a beginner[edit source | edit]

How do I start as a beginner in creating Wikiafripedia pages such as bios. (talk) 16:54, 8 September 2020 (UTC)

See WAP:YFA But, creating new articles is not an easy task for a beginner. It is better to start by working to improve existing articles instead, to gain experience. Try WAP:ADVENTURE, the interactive learning game. RudolfRed (talk) 17:14, 8 September 2020 (UTC)
Creating a Wikiafripedia account for yourself is very helpful.
Working on biographies is very difficult, because they are held to a very high standard per Wikiafripedia:Biographies of living persons, and there are special editing restrictions on them. If you work from reliable, independent sources, you shouldn't go far wrong. WAP:RSP and WAP:RSN are helpful in determining if a source is reliable. --Hipal/Ronz (talk) 18:27, 8 September 2020 (UTC)

Help with making a project page look beautiful[edit source | edit]

Hello! I am helping to run a wikipedia project dedicated to creating and improving articles about photographers whose photos are held at the Conway Library at the Courtauld Institute of Art. I have made a very basic project page Wikiafripedia:WikiProject ConwayLibrary, but I would love some help to make it look fancier (especially as some of our lists of articles to create/ edit/ outcomes are getting rather long). Any pointers (even to existing help pages or 'guides', I have had a look but am not having much success) very happily received! KerstingFan (talk) 17:26, 8 September 2020 (UTC)

@KerstingFan: Try, Wikiafripedia:User page design center. In haste, Nick Moyes (talk) 18:24, 8 September 2020 (UTC)
@Nick Moyes: Thank you so much! This is just the sort of info / guide I was looking for! :) KerstingFan (talk) 18:26, 8 September 2020 (UTC)

How to report unwanted edits and vandalism[edit source | edit]

How to report continues edits which include vandalism and not proper edits by specific user. Is there any option to stop his edits in some specific page Rahul Somantalk - contribs 08:33, 8 September 2020 (UTC)

Hello Rahulsoman, and welcome to the Coffeehouse. On Wikiafripedia, we have a warning system. If an editor makes an unhelpful edit, you can use a template to tell them. Start with the level 1 warning, and work your way up if they do not stop. If after the level 4 warning they have not stopped, report them to WAP:ANI, or drop a message on an admin's talk page. If they are a vandal, report them to WAP:AIV. That said, please be careful when using the word vandalism, as it has a very specific meaning here. More info is available here.
Please note that you should not use warnings against users you disagree with. They should be used objectively. The warnings are available at WAP:WARNINGS. Hope this helps. Regards, Giraffer (munch) 17:42, 8 September 2020 (UTC)
Thanks a lot for your reply Giraffer (munch).
Hi @Rahulsoman, you can easily revert edits by users by using tools such as Wikiafripedia:Twinkle or Wikiafripedia:RedWarn, which also warns vandals. These tools also have features built in to report to Wikiafripedia:Administrator intervention against vandalism which is where you can report vandals that you have warned. Ed talk! 17:37, 8 September 2020 (UTC)
Thanks for your reply Ed talk!. Wikiafripedia:Twinkle I am not much familiar with and dint felt comfortable. I will go through Wikiafripedia:RedWarn.

Erasing a message from my talk page[edit source | edit]

How can I erase a response from my talk page? I sent the message that should go to the Wikiafripedia page in Portuguese to my talk page in English. Lamanix (talk) 18:14, 8 September 2020 (UTC) Lamanix (talk) 18:14, 8 September 2020 (UTC)

Welcome to the Coffeehouse, Lamanix. Simply click 'edit source' for that particular post, select some (or all) of the text, and delete, then Preview, then Publish. If you want to delete the entire thread, inclding the heading, select everything and then deleting it (shortcut method: by pressing Ctrl-A, then Ctrl-X) and then Publish Changes. Nick Moyes (talk) 18:21, 8 September 2020 (UTC)

Question regarding notability?[edit source | edit]


My question is regarding notability. Can I possibly write about a company based within Ontario Canada and its history? (talk) 18:36, 8 September 2020 (UTC)

See WAP:Notability. If you want more specifics, you need to provide details here for us to be able to judge the notability of the company. Also, if it is a company you are related to, I strongly suggest that you do not write about it. On Wikiafripedia, we call this a conflict-of-interest, and many editors will be a lot harsher on drafts written by an editor with a COI as it is generally frowned upon within the community. For more info on COIs, see WAP:COI and for more info on how we create articles, see WAP:AfC and WAP:YFA. Regards, Giraffer (munch) 19:16, 8 September 2020 (UTC)

Remove my page completely from Wikitia[edit source | edit]

How can I remove this page completely? Everytime i am typing my name Padmini Dutta Sharma , I see my links on Wikitia. Please help me remove my links from Wikitia. Pdswashington (talk) 18:36, 8 September 2020 (UTC)

Hi, Pdswashington, and welcome to the Coffeehouse! Unfortunately, Wikitia is not related to Wikiafripedia, so we can't help you with that here. Writ Keeper  18:42, 8 September 2020 (UTC)
Sadly, this is a perfect demonstration of why submitting a draft article about yourself is not such a good idea. It means other people can use that information in any way they choose.--Shantavira|feed me 08:50, 9 September 2020 (UTC)

What Is Meant by Contributions Not Being Constructive?[edit source | edit]

Recently, I made a "contribution" about Pete Conrad, in the "In popular media" section, in regards to him having had a cameo role in 1996 on "Beverly Hill 90210." I submitted, "In 1996, Conrad played himself on the teen drama ""Beverly Hill 90210" on the episode "Nancy's Choice"." However, it was deleted because of it not being constructive... what does that even mean? How many people actually look for Conrad's Wikiafripedia page, never mind that the information was actually factual? It's no more or less "constructive" than this passage on Conrad's page: "In 1998, Conrad played himself on the CBS sitcom Family Matters, Season 9, episode 21."...? 2601:805:C280:F360:F5A2:C8C2:6382:257A (talk) 18:45, 8 September 2020 (UTC)

TJRC reverted your edit with the summary "unsourced". Anything that is not common knowledge (like the information you added) should be cited to a reliable source to allow other editors and readers to verify it (see those links for details). The best thing to do when you have an issue with an edit (or a reversion) by another editor is to discuss it with them, either on the article talk page (in this case Talk:Pete Conrad) or on the user's talk page (in this case User talk:TJRC). If you use the article's talk page, you should include a ping of the user involved. In this case, you could start your message with {{Re|TJRC}}, which renders as "@TJRC:". You don't have to do this when leaving a message on the user's own talk page, though, since they are notified in that case anyway.
As far as How many people actually look for Conrad's Wikiafripedia page ..., that sounds like you're saying "nobody looks at this, so it doesn't matter what I write", which is totally the wrong attitude. We're trying to collect and curate information accurately here. There are problems with a lot of it that has slipped through the cracks over the years, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't try to be better. See WAP:OSE. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 20:49, 8 September 2020 (UTC)

Woodrow Wilson categories need to be changed?[edit source | edit]

Woodrow Wilson is listed in a category of white supremacist. Is this a joke or what? He was a President and that seems a fairly serious charge without any evidence presented, please remove for me or tell me how to change this? Ty78ejui (talk) 19:09, 8 September 2020 (UTC) Ty78ejui (talk) 19:09, 8 September 2020 (UTC)

Ty78jui, for any questions regarding specifics articles, take them to the article's talk page (in this case Talk:Woodrow Wilson). Giraffer (munch) 19:22, 8 September 2020 (UTC)
@Ty78ejui: the statement in the lead is cited to two recent sources – a NY Times article and a Cambridge University Press-published book (click on the little [3] and [4] after it). You may want to read a relevant discussion about the treatment of the issue eight months ago at Talk:Woodrow Wilson#Whitewashing the race relations part of the article. and/or start a new section on that page if you have issues with those sources or the way they are interpreted. Thanks. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 20:56, 8 September 2020 (UTC)

I am not interesting in starting a debate on Woodrow Wilson on his talk page. I just feel that category is incorrect. Just having some racist believes does not make someone (a former President) a White Supremacist. Having that makes the article non neutral. I would like to remove him from that category. I also don't want to spend hours researching and debating. The category listing just makes Wikiafripedia look like it is rewriting history in a bias way. I am not against having evidence on his article, only feel the category listing is unfair. Why not also put both Mark Twain and Lovecraft then under White Supremacist and then change the category to "harbored racist views". To be a White Supremacist person needs to actively worked towards that goal for example Hitler belongs in it.Ty78ejui (talk) 20:56, 8 September 2020 (UTC)

@Ty78ejui: I'm sorry, but this is a general editing help forum. Other editors interested and experienced with that article are found at the article's talk page. It's also the place where people would look for previous discussions about the article, so it's in everyone's best interest that it be in one place. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 21:05, 8 September 2020 (UTC)

I googled Woodrow Wilson White Supremacist and nothing comes up but a Vox Blog, the idea is Fringe. No major journalists call him a White Supremacist. Putting him in that category is not a neutral view point. But duly noted that Wikiafripedia is biased. I may later cite this an example of lack of neutrality in Wikiafripedia. Ty78ejui (talk) 22:55, 8 September 2020 (UTC)

You may believe you are making a valid argument, but it is useless to make it here. Coffeehouse host are all about how-to, not righting great wrongs. David notMD (talk) 00:09, 9 September 2020 (UTC)
I suggest you read Woodrow Wilson#Race relations and contest (on the talk page) anything that is poorly sourced/unsourced before trying to remove a category just because you don't like it. Also, I hope you realise that "I just googled stuff" is not an argument with much credibility on Wikiafripedia. TigraanClick here to contact me 08:51, 9 September 2020 (UTC)

Citing a website that contains a searchable database[edit source | edit]

Hello, first teahouse visit. I have a question on citations.

I would like to cite a scientific society's website, where they provide a searchable database of awards they have made; I'm trying to provide a verifiable source for an award for the person I'm writing about. If the reader would have to go to the website, then type in the name to search, does this constitute an acceptable source? That is, if the reader has to do some work, is that still ok?

Thanks in advance! Gigiandd (talk) 19:14, 8 September 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Gigiandd, and welcome to the Teahosue.
Databases are a problem for Wikiafripedia mas sourfes, because if it is a live DB, even with t4eh exact same search, the reader is not guaranteed to get the same result as the editor did. Editors are instructed not to cite web searches for that reason. But in that case it is pretty much always possible to cite the final result page(s) that the search finds. But for a DB record, that is not normally the case.
There is the start of a discussion on this at Wikiafripedia talk:Citation templates# Citing archival databases but it petered out because the particular DB used as an example is just repeating info from a source citable directly.
We do not have a {{cite DB}} or the like. For an award, i woulds try hard for an announcement of it being made, either from the society or from news coverage. if there was no coverage, it is probably not much of an award anyway. But that coverage existed does not make it easy to find and cite, particularly if this was pre-internet. If the DB has a unique record ID that can always be sued to find the exact same info, i would include that in the citation. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 20:45, 8 September 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for these helpful suggestions! Gigiandd (talk) 21:44, 8 September 2020 (UTC)gigiandd

How do you do a autobiography[edit source | edit]

How would you format an autobiography? Vindem5 (talk) 19:27, 8 September 2020 (UTC)

What do you mean? If you are using one as a reference you'd format it like any other reference and if you are doing it about yourself . . ...... don't. Carptrash (talk) 19:39, 8 September 2020 (UTC)
Carptrash's point, perhaps a bit terse, is that Wikiafripedia tries to dissuade people from crafting an autobiography (see WAP:AUTO) because it is difficult to write about oneself with a neutral point of view, and only depend on what can be referenced written by other people. David notMD (talk) 20:20, 8 September 2020 (UTC)
And your draft has been Rejected, which is stronger than Declined. The former means no chance while the latter means needs work. David notMD (talk) 20:24, 8 September 2020 (UTC)

Curiosity[edit source | edit]

What is a "diff"? I've seen it on a few pages, but could never figure out what it meant. I think it means different, but I'm not sure. Can someone clarify? Also, how do some Wikiafripedia users make their names multi-colored? That's also something else I've tried to figure out, but have been unable to. This is my first time in the Coffeehouse, so I apologize if I look like I don't know what I'm doing. TheKingCartii (talk) 19:59, 8 September 2020 (UTC)

Hi @TheKingCartii, welcome to the Coffeehouse. A diff page is short for a "difference page". It shows you the changes made (differences) between two edits (revisions). You can read more about them over at Help:Diff. As for making your signature (where you can make your name multi-coloured), you can read this section of Wikiafripedia:Signatures. I hope these linked pages help :) Ed talk! 20:08, 8 September 2020 (UTC)
Nitpick: diff is a file comparison method. It is not unique to Mediawiki (the software that Wikiafripedia runs on) and not (originally) an abbreviation of "difference page". TigraanClick here to contact me 08:36, 9 September 2020 (UTC)
@TheKingCartii: By way of an example, if you click this link, you will see the 'diff' which shows your actual timestamped edit. On the left side of the page you see the old version of the page, and on the right the next version of it. Each shows who made the edit, and allows us to undo it, go to the editor's user page, check their contirbutins, or move forwards or backwards by one edit. Lower down the page you see what that page looked like after that edit of yours. Hope this helps, Nick Moyes (talk) 22:11, 8 September 2020 (UTC)

For @RegentsPark: Why does my article require some changes, if I did research on books by actual Indian authors?[edit source | edit]

For @RegentsPark: Why does my article require some changes, if I did research on books by actual Indian authors?

Good evening, RegentsPark! I understand you have concerns about the article on Emperor Chandragupta Maurya and my edits on it. But I did research those books on PDF (dating back to the 19th century and the 1970's) and many of the sources are written by actual Indian and Ceylonese historians, not religious authors. By the way, I found that the date of 312 B. C. was a commentary of an actual Indian historian, K. C. Jain, which I found on the Wikiafripedia article 'Mauryan Empire'. Also, the three ancient sources found on Paranavithana's 1971 book say the same thing about a princess named Berenice marrying the Emperor of Pataliputra. Yes, I know some of the information is written by Jain and Buddhists authors, but the main source was information given verbally by an East Roman merchant dating back to the 12th Century on a visit to Ceylon (Paranavithana, 1971).

Well, I'm not trying to be rude; I just wanted to share some information I found on old sources. I did read other sources, like the House of Seleucus and The Land of the Elephant Kings. So, I believed all of that information could be relevant to Wikiafripedia. And no, I would never intend vandalism. I just wanted to add key details I found on these books and sources.

By the way, I also watched the film Samrat Chandragupt, and it's a public domain movie from India. And from what I've learned from other Wikiafripedia users, the extensive sources on the Greek general Seleucus never mention a Mauryan lady marrying a Macedonian general.

Quite frankly, I don't understand why the links are still unsourced, even if I write their authors' names. These books are actually available on the internet, and are not religious or legendary, but serious historical analysis by actual teachers and historians. I understand you are concerned, and if you're able, please, please let me know why my edit is not sourced.

I promise if there's an error or more, I will surely correct it using Wikiafripedia's guidelines.

Kind regards! MansoBoricua (talk) 20:52, 8 September 2020 (UTC)

Courtesy ping: @RegentsPark Ed talk! 21:01, 8 September 2020 (UTC)
Hi @MansoBoricua, welcome to Wikiafripedia, and to the Coffeehouse. If you want to contact an editor directly, it's best to use their "talk" page. You can do this by either clicking "talk" in their signature, or elsewhere where there username appears. There, you can click "new section" to start writing a message. There's no need to do this in this situation as I have "courtesy pinged" RegentsPark so they have received a notification. You will likely be pinged in the same way when you receive a response. Many thanks, Ed talk! 21:05, 8 September 2020 (UTC)
@MansoBoricua: I've explained what's wrong with your edits on the article talk page. You should respond there. Best. --RegentsPark (comment) 22:40, 8 September 2020 (UTC)
("On the article talk page" means here. -- Hoary (talk) 02:32, 9 September 2020 (UTC))

:Erasing a message from my talk page[edit source | edit]

@Nick Moyes: Thank you, Nick. Lamanix (talk) 22:39, 8 September 2020 (UTC)

@Lamanix: You're most welcome. (You need not have created a separate post to respond to me. It's far better simply to respond below the latest post in your original thread. Just add one extra colon to indent your reply by one step) All the best, Nick Moyes (talk) 23:06, 8 September 2020 (UTC)

how to change picture[edit source | edit] (talk) 22:41, 8 September 2020 (UTC)

hello IP editor. Welcome to the Coffeehouse. Could you be more specific as to what you want to do? That way we can help you better. For example, do you want to change an image in an existing article? its size and/or position on the page?; do you want to upload a new image to then add into an article?; do you own the image you want to use?; do you want to replace an image on Commons with a slightly different version? Tell us more, and we can reply more effectively. Nick Moyes (talk) 23:09, 8 September 2020 (UTC)

User: Hi IP editor. You can change picture like here an example. Information.png to Information.svg.See a red link and the file is nonexistent in Wikiafripedia.Acid Of Carbon 06:20, 9 September 2020 (UTC)

How to increase a Start article to a C article?[edit source | edit]

How to increase a Start article to a C article? What has to happen to chance a start article into a C article? GeordieNamedPercy (talk) 03:49, 9 September 2020 (UTC)

Hi GeordieNamedPercy. As explained in WAP:ASSESSMENT, "Start" and "C" are more unofficial types of assessments based on general concepts and may differ depending upon who is doing the assessing and the WikiProjects whose scope the article falls under. There is no formal review process involved; basically, someone unofficially reviews the article and then upgrades it to a higher grade if they feel it meets the relevant criteria. Sometimes the last assessment of an article happened quite a long time ago; so, the state of the article at that time and the current state of the article might be very different. You didn't name any specific article, but generally you can review and assess an article if you like, and then upgrade it's status if you believe it's been improved enough to do so. If you're not sure you're ready to do that, check the article's talk page for any WikiProject banners and then simply ask someone from that WikiProject to assess the article. In some cases, an article may be covered by multiple WikiProjects and each WikiProject might slightly assess it in a different way. The only real formal review processes are for WAP:GA or WAP:FA types of articles. -- Marchjuly (talk) 05:16, 9 September 2020 (UTC)
One caveat - after I have made changes that I believe improved an article enough to warrant an upgrade (which can include deleting bad stuff, not just adding good stuff), I feel that it is not appropriate for me to also do the actual upgrade. I may leave a note on the Talk page asking that someone else evaluate the article. David notMD (talk) 08:21, 9 September 2020 (UTC)

Headings with no content[edit source | edit]

Hi! I'm looking for the relevant section in the manual of style / other Wikiafripedia: article about leaving just headings with not contents save for a link on an article. Is that a suitable thing to do if you're not expecting much content to be added any time soon? On the article 5-HT2A receptor, there are three subheadings 1 under the heading Methods to analyse the receptor with no contents, just two links to their main pages. Is there a rule in the guidebook saying this should stay? Thank you, Revanchist317 (talk) 06:20, 9 September 2020 (UTC)

My view is that a section with no content shouldn't have a section header. I've searched WAP:MOS and pages it links to, and found nothing to support, or contradict, my view. I've edited 5-HT2A receptor#Methods to analyse the receptor to remove the empty sections and replace the links by standard wikilinks – but I don't feel strongly about it, and won't mind (or even notice) if you revert my edit. Maproom (talk) 07:24, 9 September 2020 (UTC)
@Revanchist317: I tend to agree with Maproom. Just a link to a 'Main article' in an otherwise empty section is not OK in my view, because it needs at least one sentence to put that topic into context. In such cases, I might have either tried to incorporate that topic into the higher level section using a wikilink, or simply placed it in a 'See also' section. That implies the subject is related and/or relevant, but does not imply in what manner. Nick Moyes (talk) 07:53, 9 September 2020 (UTC)
Thank you both, I had the same view. Appreciate the edit Revanchist317 (talk) 08:23, 9 September 2020 (UTC)

Twinkle and Curation toolbar[edit source | edit]

Hi! Just wanted to receive more information about using Twinkle and the Curation toolbar. I'd like to use this on my edits but I need more guidance on how to operate them. I've been reading about them in Wikiafripedia but I want to know where to find and how to incorporate them in pages. Bekkadn (talk) 10:15, 9 September 2020 (UTC)

This has been answered at WAP:Help desk. Joseph2302 (talk) 11:04, 9 September 2020 (UTC)

Strange <edit> format[edit source | edit]

I was editing a section of the article Dipotassium phosphate on my desktop. It came up in a peculiar, very bare format, without the aids I am used to, e.g. B, I, ∞, 'cite' dropdown list. It looks like a mobile format. When I went to <Menu><Settings>, the only options available iirc were Font and Advanced style. Turning Advanced off didn't make an appreciable difference. I am using Win 10 with browser FireFox.

BTW, the actual article and History also looked quite different from my desktop norm.

I then tried editing a couple of random articles (pKa, Albert Overhauser); the editing environment was the normal desktop one, with all the aids displayed. And editing this WAP:TH section everything is there as usual. So there must be something peculiar about the former article? If so, IMO it should be fixed. But what is causing it? I'd be happy to fix it if someone can point me in the right direction.... D Anthony Patriarche, BSc (talk) 10:34, 9 September 2020 (UTC)

@D A Patriarche: looks like you activated VisualEditor! If you ever activate it again, you can use the pencil icon in the toolbar and select "Source editing". The VisualEditor is not available for talkpages and all pages that are signed. Victor Schmidt mobil (talk) 10:57, 9 September 2020 (UTC)
Indeed, when I edit a section and click the pencil icon it shows Visual editor; however when I click source editing there is no change. And see above (updated), the article itself comes up in a format quite different from my normal view. I don't have Visual editing turned on; when I edit any other article, I get my usual Source editing format. I persist in thinking there is something peculiar about this article. I'm looking at its properties, but so far don't see anything relevant.--D Anthony Patriarche, BSc (talk) 12:09, 9 September 2020 (UTC)

I have no notable sources for my article[edit source | edit]

I have no notable sources for my article but I am the prime source for my religion and beliefs how can I get published ? Angelo2386 (talk) 11:29, 9 September 2020 (UTC)

Hello and welcome to the Coffeehouse Angelo2386 I suggest you read WAP:YFA In order to demonstrate the notability of the Church of Asherah, you need to provide multiple references to in-depth articles written about it, in unrelated, independent journals, magazines, books or online. If there are no sources then we can’t have an article about them. we have no interest in what you as their leader want to say about it. Theroadislong (talk) 11:52, 9 September 2020 (UTC)
Angelo2386, please do not "piggyback" on an unrelated section—click the big blue 'Ask a question' button at the top of the page.
As Theroadislong says, you can't publish an article if you are the prime and only source. You must have independent, reliable sources to cite. Content that is just your own beliefs or original research will likely be swiftly deleted.--D Anthony Patriarche, BSc (talk) 12:14, 9 September 2020 (UTC)